Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 11th May 2010 10:45 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless While most of us here on the OSNews team are proponents of HTML5, we're all fully aware that Flash serves an important role on the web today, and will most likely continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Flash has a rather spotty record when it comes to performance, and so far, hasn't been able to run well on mobile devices. It seems this is about to change, as an Adobe evangelist has showed off Flash 10.1 on Android 2.2 (Froyo) running on the Nexus One. And eerlijk is eerlijk, it looks pretty darn impressive, especially considering how far they've come.
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RE[2]: Hilarious
by Tony Swash on Tue 11th May 2010 15:27 UTC in reply to "RE: Hilarious"
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Um, I read the article and Thom quite clearly states that Flash had problems *IN THE PAST* but now things have improved. You know, how about assessing something based on the present rather than what happened 10 years ago.

More important Steve Jobs has no right to dictate what a person can and can't load onto their iPhone; I find it funny that so many here whine about how terrible it is but has it stopped them from going out and purchasing an iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch? If a person wants to load on Flash than it is there right - the moment that the device leaves the store, the customer owns it. If owning it involves the desire to install a battery sucking, CPU hogging, bandwidth hogging, browser crashing plugin, then so be it.

You do realise that this is all academic so far because Adobe have failed to released a version of Flash that can run on any phone let alone the iPhone?

Lets see - As a responsible company with a responsible attitude to your customers do you:

(a) promise to open your platform to some as yet unreleased piece of software (from a company with a history of releasing buggy inefficient version of the same software on the desktop) on a wing and prayer based on some vapourware demo that shows a buggy piece of crap

- or -

(b) say "no thanks we pass on that one"

And before people start with the "installing flash is my human right" type of pomposity remember that the bulk of iPhone users, when browsing the web and confronted with "you need to click here to install flash plugin to view this site" message, will probably click OK. Then they will wonder why their iPhone is running so slowly, and why it keeps crashing, then blame Apple for selling them a piece of crap.

Why do people in places like OSNews, who apparently are so devoted to openness, spend so much time defending a monopolistic and unnecessary piece of proprietary shabbiness like Flash?

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RE[3]: Hilarious
by kaiwai on Wed 12th May 2010 04:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Hilarious"
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You do realise that this is all academic so far because Adobe have failed to released a version of Flash that can run on any phone let alone the iPhone?

Again, what is it with your fixation on the past? they're developing Flash 10.1 for such devices today, companies are working through the 'Open Screen Project' - and as seen in the demonstration, they're getting results. The only thing you seem to be hell bent on is ranting about what has happened in the past when your focus should on what is Adobe and partners doing now, and the delivery of it. All evidence shows that Apple was right to be sceptical of Flash based on what existed before 10.1, but the circumstances have changed; there is no Flash Light and Flash desktop, there is only 'Flash'. Flash is being developed and yes it has taken along time because surprise, surprise, its very complex stuff! (something throwing more man power at won't fix).

For the record I don't support Flash or Silverlight; in a perfect world HTML5 would be completed by now, all the h264 patent holders would donate it to W3C for the good of humanity and so on. But we don't live in that world, we live in this world - patents up the wazoo, companies following their own self interest for the benefit of their shareholders and end customers wanting solutions that allow quick turn around from idea into a website (Flash and Silverlight). Therefore, because I live in this real world, I have to deal with what is here - Silverlight and Flash, for better or worse.

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RE[4]: Hilarious
by Tony Swash on Wed 12th May 2010 11:04 in reply to "RE[3]: Hilarious"
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Again, what is it with your fixation on the past?

I am not fixated on the past I am fixated on the present. As of this moment there is no Flash on phones. It hasn't been released. It has been demoed and some very recent high profile demos showed severe bugs and some video subsequently showed those bugs gone. Videos are not a reliable guide to unreleased products (remember Courier). Lets wait until its released and see what Flash mobile actually does.

In the meantime Apple is saying no to an unreleased and untested product from the same company that has produced extremely buggy and inefficient versions of software from the same software family.

Why should they change their position until the new wonder Flash mobile is released and tested in the real world?

More importantly why should they say yes to unreleased Flash as long as saying no does not negatively impinge on their competitive position in the market place and adversely affect sales?

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