Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 12th May 2010 15:41 UTC
Microsoft The Microsoft empire is built upon two pillars: the Windows operating system, and Microsoft Office. Windows 7 made its way unto the scene last year, and now it's time to work on the other pillar. Today, Microsoft officially launched Microsoft Office 2010 and SharePoint 2010. Regular customers will be able to purchase the new versions next month, starting at 119 USD.
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Microsoft should be punished
by darknexus on Wed 12th May 2010 16:15 UTC
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for creating Sharepoint. Seriously, I don't know what they were smoking when they came up with their implementation of a cms. It's buggy, over-complicated, and can be a real bitch to program for.
I don't really dislike the other Office products, the exception of course being the new ribbon UI. Still, at least the other products are useful.

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RE: Microsoft should be punished
by Hiev on Wed 12th May 2010 16:33 in reply to "Microsoft should be punished"
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As a sharepoint user I can tell you to stop smoking crack.

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TemporalBeing Member since:

As a sharepoint user I can tell you to stop smoking crack.

As a former sharepoint user, I can tell you to take your own advice.

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darknexus Member since:

Dude, how old are you? Are you even capable of saying more than one sentence, and that much without an insult? Seriously what are you, ten?

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Phloptical Member since:

The decision to not include the classic UI as an option should have gotten the entire Office dev team bitch-slapped.

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darknexus Member since:

Much as I hate the ribbon, how long would you have Microsoft hold on if they wish to move forward? I don't agree with their UI direction, but I'll give them props for actually trying something new. We all complain that Microsoft holds too tightly to backward compatibility. Well, we can't have it both ways. Either they hold on, or they move forward. Two UIs means more code to maintain, more bugs, more bloat... and Office is buggy and bloated enough as it is and keeps getting bigger with each version it seems.
I think 2000 was Microsoft's magic number. Windows 2000 rocked, and Office 2000 was awesome. It's a pity they haven't been able to move forward without creeping featurism.

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modmans2ndcoming Member since:

The classic UI is dead... DEAL WITH IT.

The Ribbon is superior to menu drive systems.

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Stratoukos Member since:

If you read the (extremely long) blog posts of the team that designed the Ribbon interface, they say that the one of their main reasons to move to design a different UI was to have only one place for each function.

The rationale was that if each command is in 10 different places there is no definitive place to look if you're trying to find one. For example in Word 2003 if you didn't remember where something was you had to look at the open toolbars, then look through 3+ nested levels of menus, then look at the side-panels, then look at some other kind of side-panels but with different name and then bring up all the hidden toolbars.

With ribbon there is only one place to look for commands. If it's not there then it simply isn't anyware.

He also said that the old UI was holding them back. They wanted to add more stuff to Word and they either had to hide them under 3 levels of menus or invent some confusing new UI widget to contain them (like the two different kind of side-panels). With the Ribbon they can simply add another tab of controls, or if the change doesn't warrant adding a tab, they can put it on a context sensitive one.

I know that a modal interface is a bad interface most times, but when a program becomes so complex maybe it's not so bad. For novice users 90% of what they do is in the main tab and for the remaining 10% they would probably have to search the UI to find what they wanted. For experienced users a good portion of what they do is also on the main tab and for the rest they probably know the shortcut.

So, you may like the Ribbon UI or not, but if you think about it, having an option for the classic UI would be contrary to their design goals.

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Babi Asu Member since:

I have compared several FOS alternatives before using SharePoint, they simply suck to the bone. Even one of them has a pro version that cost much more than MOS.

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Karitku Member since:

I have compared several FOS alternatives before using SharePoint, they simply suck to the bone. Even one of them has a pro version that cost much more than MOS.

I have used several commercial alternatives and they suck even more compared to Sharepoint. Most of them can do basic stuff quite good, but try get them work on enviroment with 10k people, try customise them and you quickly go straight to hell.

Typical problem with Sharepoint is that companies have no clue what they actually want and then they just put one up. Management:"We want Sharepoint!" Techguy:"Okey I installed it on server behind Steves porn magazines." This is so common scene that it explains why so many has bad experience on Sharepoint. It's not something you simply installl and start use. Look Ferrari site and you see something nice done with Sharepoint.

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