Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 14th May 2010 22:23 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "UDS is over! And in the customary wrap-up I stood up and told the audience what the Foundations team have been discussing all week. One of the items is almost certainly going to get a little bit of publicity. We are going to be doing the work to have btrfs as an installation option, and we have not ruled out making it the default. I do stress the emphasis of that statement, a number of things would have to be true for us to take that decision."
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RE[3]: Great!
by aaronb on Sat 15th May 2010 12:24 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Great!"
aaronb
Member since:
2005-07-06

It was a flippant comment in response to your sarcastic post (you are taking things a little too seriously).

The memory leak may have not been caught if there was less testers. How are the developers obligated to search through launchpad?

Why does Ubuntu make it harder for upstream?

Fedora 13 has been delayed from the 18/5/2010 to 25/5/2010, it makes them no better or worse than Ubuntu in terms of issues near release.

To note I like Fedora and Ubuntu equally. I just don't understand why people try to such the life out of projects when they are at least considering implementing something new.

Edited 2010-05-15 12:29 UTC

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RE[4]: Great!
by Rahul on Sat 15th May 2010 17:38 in reply to "RE[3]: Great!"
Rahul Member since:
2005-07-06

Since you mentioned Fedora, I would like to note a few things:

* Upstream does get affected if a downstream patches something badly and bug reports get filed upstream. This is a common problem and patches needs to be avoided as much as possible unless you have the expertise to do them properly and carefully.

http://www.happyassassin.net/2010/04/27/when-qa-works-x-org-and-mem...

* A major distribution that relies on support and services to make money need to be strong upstream developers or atleast get enough staff to fix problems rather than try to offload it to another distribution

http://airlied.livejournal.com/72817.html

* Fedora's standpoint of having a published release criteria and the willingness to postpone releases if the blocker bugs are not fixed does affect the quality of the release although delays should be avoided when possible to do so.

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RE[5]: Great!
by macinnisrr on Sat 15th May 2010 20:54 in reply to "RE[4]: Great!"
macinnisrr Member since:
2009-11-12

Well, we all know that *most software is seen in fedora before ubuntu, but the suggestion that Ubuntu uses or builds upon fedora is ludicrous. Ubuntu is based on Debian. Any time Mark Shuttleworth outlines the issues that need to be worked on in the next release, the developers in question use debian testing/unstable as the base for these changes. For instance: Mark wanted a better graphical boot experience. The devs looked into debian testing and grabbed plymouth. I know Redhat, and hence fedora, developed this piece of software, but if it wasn't in debian at some point, ubuntu wouldn't have used it.
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I see so many comments here about how ubuntu "steals" from fedora that I can't ignore them any longer. Red Hat (and hence fedora), are THE top suppliers of ENTERPRISE linux, and as such, have more developers working not only on existing FOSS technologies, but also coming up with new software, to suit their goals and clients. This is the nature of FOSS. Just because I use your software to make something better suited to my particular situation, which may not be YOUR priority, but which may also cause bug reports to be filed upstream (mostly by inexperienced bug filers), does not mean I'm stealing. Isn't this the entire reason we all wanted to use FOSS in the first place?

In conclusion, and as a developer who both causes problems for upstream and hears about problems downstream; RELAX!!!! If you can't handle a few (or many) emails a day asking what's wrong, and subsequently redirect them to the people who know about the problem (or fix them yourself, as many bugs filed upstream are only found out when used by more people downstream), you either need more people working on your project (which you should ALREADY be grateful for), or should probably go to work for a closed-source proprietary company like Apple (they never hear about anything downstream, or don't listen).
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