Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 19th May 2010 16:28 UTC, submitted by bnolsen
Multimedia, AV Yes, I broke my own rules and used a "breaking" modifier for this story (let me have my fun for once). Here we have it, as the rumour mill suggested, Google has released the On2 VP8 video codec as open source (royalty free, BSD-style), while also launching the WebM container format which combines a VP8 video stream with Vorbis audio. Support for WebM has been enabled on YouTube's HTML5 beta, and you can download patches against ffmpeg as well as DirectShow filters for Windows (Gstreamer plugins are labelled as "coming soon"). Mac users are out of luck for now; no QuickTime plugins have been announced yet. Update: The WebM blog is now open - and the list of partners is pretty decent already. It includes ARM, NVIDIA, AMD, Qualcomm, and many others. Update II: VP8 will be baked into Flash. Update III: The Opera labs version with WebM support has been released too, for Linux, Mac, and Windows.
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RE: All I know is....
by umccullough on Thu 20th May 2010 00:30 UTC in reply to "All I know is...."
umccullough
Member since:
2006-01-26

Adios Theora.


That was one of my notions as well (it's too bad you got mod'd down, probably because your comment was so terse).

I can't help but feel like most of the Theora champions will now likely switch their focus to VP8.

On the other hand, Theora could still be a "fallback" format if VP8 is found to be substantially patent-infringing while Theora is not. Nobody really knows how that will pan out yet.

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RE[2]: All I know is....
by lemur2 on Thu 20th May 2010 00:47 in reply to "RE: All I know is...."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"Adios Theora.
That was one of my notions as well (it's too bad you got mod'd down, probably because your comment was so terse). I can't help but feel like most of the Theora champions will now likely switch their focus to VP8. On the other hand, Theora could still be a "fallback" format if VP8 is found to be substantially patent-infringing while Theora is not. Nobody really knows how that will pan out yet. "

Theora had supporters because it used to be the ONLY royalty-free codec that was anywhere near being competitive. If VP8 is royalty-free, open, and better performing, then you can bet your life that FOSS supporters will switch to it.

FOSS is a meritocracy ... whichever has the merit wins.

Having said all that ... Google's presentation actually lists Xiph's Theora.org as software industry support.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/19/google-launches-open-webm-web-vi...

Have a look at the second picture in the above link. Software group, bottom row, second icon in from the left.

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RE[3]: All I know is....
by lemur2 on Thu 20th May 2010 01:10 in reply to "RE[2]: All I know is...."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"That was one of my notions as well (it's too bad you got mod'd down, probably because your comment was so terse). I can't help but feel like most of the Theora champions will now likely switch their focus to VP8. On the other hand, Theora could still be a "fallback" format if VP8 is found to be substantially patent-infringing while Theora is not. Nobody really knows how that will pan out yet.
Theora had supporters because it used to be the ONLY royalty-free codec that was anywhere near being competitive. If VP8 is royalty-free, open, and better performing, then you can bet your life that FOSS supporters will switch to it. FOSS is a meritocracy ... whichever has the merit wins. Having said all that ... Google's presentation actually lists Xiph's Theora.org as software industry support. http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/19/google-launches-open-webm-web-vi... Have a look at the second picture in the above link. Software group, bottom row, second icon in from the left. "

PS: Hold the phone!

The WebM project has changed this picture around:
http://www.webmproject.org/about/supporters/

"theora.org" has diasappeared from the "Software" group, and Xiph.org now appears on its own in a new category called "Organistations".

This is probably about Xiph.org's Vorbis audio format (used within WebM) and not Theora at all.

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RE[2]: All I know is....
by henderson101 on Thu 20th May 2010 10:40 in reply to "RE: All I know is...."
henderson101 Member since:
2006-05-30

On the other hand, Theora could still be a "fallback" format if VP8 is found to be substantially patent-infringing while Theora is not. Nobody really knows how that will pan out yet.


Nobody really wanted OGG/Theora, the pedants just had no other flag to wave. No one wants to pay to use h.264, but those using h.264 could see how awful OGG/Theora was when compared to h.264 for streaming etc. Now there is a different option, fingers crossed it plays out well.

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RE[3]: All I know is....
by lemur2 on Thu 20th May 2010 10:47 in reply to "RE[2]: All I know is...."
lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

"On the other hand, Theora could still be a "fallback" format if VP8 is found to be substantially patent-infringing while Theora is not. Nobody really knows how that will pan out yet.


Nobody really wanted OGG/Theora, the pedants just had no other flag to wave. No one wants to pay to use h.264, but those using h.264 could see how awful OGG/Theora was when compared to h.264 for streaming etc. Now there is a different option, fingers crossed it plays out well.
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Theora is getting better by leaps and bounds, especially for low bit-rates where up to now it has been lacking somewhat.

Check out current Theora 1.1
http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/theora/sunflower_111.ogv
versus still-in-development Theora 1.2-pre
http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/theora/sunflower_head.ogv

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