Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 22nd May 2010 21:18 UTC
Google This issue kind of fell by the wayside in all the WebM and Android violence, but apart from the cool things Google did this past week, they've also done something really bad. They claim it's a mistake, but the company has collected 600GB of data from open personal wireless networks in 33 countries through its Street View cars, prompting several countries to initiate official investigations into the search giant.
Thread beginning with comment 426108
To view parent comment, click here.
To read all comments associated with this story, please click here.
RE[2]: Permission
by gnemmi on Sun 23rd May 2010 02:28 UTC in reply to "RE: Permission"
gnemmi
Member since:
2006-08-17

Sorry but you just haven't the slightest idea of what you are saying.

Where I store my information does not, in any way whatsoever, modify my rights upon it unless I specifically grant someone else the total or a at least a part of the them.

Storing _my_ information on _my_ server, does not give you, google or whoever else any single right upon it. Where I choose to store something of my property, does not change the nature of my rights upon it.

Edited 2010-05-23 02:31 UTC

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[3]: Permission
by Shannara on Sun 23rd May 2010 02:29 in reply to "RE[2]: Permission"
Shannara Member since:
2005-07-06

Ahh, we must be talking about respective laws in different countries ;) For instance, what I said applies to the USA ... what country does yours apply to?

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[4]: Permission
by gnemmi on Sun 23rd May 2010 02:34 in reply to "RE[3]: Permission"
gnemmi Member since:
2006-08-17

The rest of them .. those countries in which civil and constitutional rights still apply.

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[4]: Permission
by danik on Mon 24th May 2010 13:24 in reply to "RE[3]: Permission"
danik Member since:
2010-03-12

Your router isn't the web. And just because you put data on the web doesn't mean it's public, not even in the USA. Restrictions that comes with copyright, patents, trade secret etc. are still valid.

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[3]: Permission
by l3v1 on Sun 23rd May 2010 06:25 in reply to "RE[2]: Permission"
l3v1 Member since:
2005-07-06

Where I choose to store something of my property, does not change the nature of my rights upon it.


That's so vague it's a hundred different ways it could be attacked. E.g. if you leave your belonings in the middle of a city square without any protection, no sign that it's yours, and no warnings about eventual consequences of taking them, you can't expect they will remain untouched, even if at the point of dumping they were your properties. And even with this silly example I only partially approached the stupidity of putting private data to be accessible by random individuals through an unprotected wireless connection.

Reply Parent Score: 4

RE[4]: Permission
by gnemmi on Sun 23rd May 2010 07:31 in reply to "RE[3]: Permission"
gnemmi Member since:
2006-08-17

"That's so vague it's a hundred different ways it could be attacked."


And it has been .. as many times as the property right has.

"if you leave your belonings in the middle of a city square without any protection, no sign that it's yours, and no warnings about eventual consequences of taking them, you can't expect they will remain untouched"


I never wrote nor implied the word expect .. yet regardless of whatever expectations you may or may not have on the future of your belongins, the nature of your rights upon it remains untouched.

They key is the will, and not what may or may not happen.

What its your's, its your's and will remain your's until you change your will and decide to transfer the whole or a part of your property right to someone else. And not even the State can take away your rights upon your property, as in order to do so it needs to pass a law and give you a fair compensation in exchange of your right.

And even with this silly example I only partially approached the stupidity of putting private data to be accessible by random individuals through an unprotected wireless connection.


No, you did not. You just proved that lack of protection in regards to the rights you have on your own property (of which the information you produce, be it personal or not is a part of), toghether with the restless abuses commited by the biggest corporation that mankind has ever seen and the blatant innaction of the goverments of some countries to protect those rights, have gone so long as to deform the perception and undertanding of one of the pilars of society, economy and foremost: democracy.

You may want to go back to 1689 and read John Locke's "Two Treatises of Government and A Letter Concerning Toleration.". Trusts me, you won't regret it.

Edited 2010-05-23 07:34 UTC

Reply Parent Score: 1

RE[4]: Permission
by Karitku on Mon 24th May 2010 07:43 in reply to "RE[3]: Permission"
Karitku Member since:
2006-01-12

"Where I choose to store something of my property, does not change the nature of my rights upon it.
That's so vague it's a hundred different ways it could be attacked. E.g. if you leave your belonings in the middle of a city square without any protection, no sign that it's yours, and no warnings about eventual consequences of taking them, you can't expect they will remain untouched, even if at the point of dumping they were your properties. And even with this silly example I only partially approached the stupidity of putting private data to be accessible by random individuals through an unprotected wireless connection. "
Again law says that who takes them are commiting FELONY! If I leave my door unlocked and someone takes my stuff they commit FELONY! If I send data on unsecure way and someone peaks it he commits FELONY! If you find someone property middle of street you call police which will take it, same goes unsecure lines. You don't fucking peak there see if there some data, you fucking inform it is open. No fucking excuses here, justice for all!

Reply Parent Score: 2