Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 25th May 2010 17:22 UTC, submitted by leonardoav
Slackware, Slax Pat Volkerding has released Slackware 13.1. "We have chosen to use the 2.6.33.4 kernel after testing the 2.6.33.x kernel branch extensively. Slackware 13.1 contains version 4.4.3 of the KDE Software Compilation. Several Xfce components have been updated as well. Xfce continues to be a great lightweight desktop that doesn't get in your way. If you haven't looked at this great desktop environment lately, you might want to give it another try. If you prefer GNOME, there are teams online producing GNOME for Slackware."
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RE: Comment by error32
by OddFox on Tue 25th May 2010 21:08 UTC in reply to "Comment by error32"
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I think installing gentoo should be mandatory for every linux user. Just so they can understand all the intricacies of package interdependencies, fine-tuning configuration options for software and eventually learning how to manage their own local software repository (yes I am talking to you, users of anything who value different things than I do).

Just because someone uses a particular distribution on their box does not indicate a level of competency in and of itself, and you're fooling yourself if you think otherwise. Newbies use Ubuntu, advanced users use Ubuntu. Newbies use Slackware, advanced users use Slackware. The fact of the matter is that using Slackware doesn't afford you any more education as to how a Linux system really works than using Ubuntu or Fedora, much in the same way that managing to complete a Gentoo install is not some impressive technical feat or educational in and of itself. It means you can follow instructions, that's it.

LFS is a pretty good educational tool/"distribution", if you really want to point at something that will force someone to learn how to piece things together bit by bit. But if someone really wants to learn how their system works (including but not limited to how it is built out of many different components and where those components are configured), no distro is going to prevent them from doing so.

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RE[2]: Comment by error32
by Oliver on Tue 25th May 2010 22:13 in reply to "RE: Comment by error32"
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>It means you can follow instructions, that's it.

Well, usually we call this education/experience. First you follow some instructions, then you're interested in what you're actually doing (probably to avoid the same mistakes again and again, later you gain experience. So there is a difference. People have to learn something or they will have to experience the pain in following stupid instructions again and again. People which don't want to learn usually leave such distros behind them. Just using a distro because it's cool is maybe usual behaviour among Gentoo-folk, but Slackers are more seasoned people eager to help beginners and to learn something.

Finally it's rather easy: if you don't get it, if you're a lazy bum, then just use something appropriate. There are hundreds of distros, but some people think all of them have to be like Ubuntu and that's real bullshit!

There is no magical all-in-one distro. That's PR-crap! There are distros for beginners, which want to advance in future, there distros for pros (rather spartan aka KISS) and there are distros for the casual user, browsing the web, using mail etc. with a certain degree of bling.

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RE[3]: Comment by error32
by OddFox on Tue 25th May 2010 22:55 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by error32"
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2005-10-05

Well, usually we call this education/experience. First you follow some instructions, then you're interested in what you're actually doing (probably to avoid the same mistakes again and again, later you gain experience. So there is a difference. People have to learn something or they will have to experience the pain in following stupid instructions again and again. People which don't want to learn usually leave such distros behind them. Just using a distro because it's cool is maybe usual behaviour among Gentoo-folk, but Slackers are more seasoned people eager to help beginners and to learn something.


I don't call it education/experience and most of my instructors through both grade school and beyond consider it memorization of steps, not education as to what is actually going on with said steps. There is a definite difference between memorizing a step and understanding what is being done and why it is being done. This is why I point to LFS as a valuable educational tool, though any distro has educational value if someone wants to learn with it. Some are more educational than others merely because of the steps involved in getting things up and running (Provided those steps aren't distribution-specific). I don't know if you really appreciated what my comment was saying though with regards to substituting Gentoo and a few other points into his statement instead of Slackware. I was illustrating the inaccuracies of the statement and how silly it is and the ease of which it can be turned around. Gentoo-folk are not as a rule people who run a distro just to be cool, just as Slackware users are not as a rule more seasoned people eager to help beginners and to learn something.

Finally it's rather easy: if you don't get it, if you're a lazy bum, then just use something appropriate. There are hundreds of distros, but some people think all of them have to be like Ubuntu and that's real bullshit!


There really is no persecution going on of other distros, with loads of people piling on the "Be more Ubuntu-like!" mentality. Distributions exist to please a certain base of users, and I really don't think it's in any distributions best interest to simply mimic another as best it can. Your sentence where you state "use something appropriate" implies that there are distros that are tailored for "lazy bum"s who "don't get it" which is an elitist attitude that only serves to discourage anyone from getting interested and involved in F/OSS, specifically Linux. Ubuntu is easier to pick up and run with compared to Gentoo or Slackware, but that does not mean that people who choose Ubuntu are "lazy bum"s who "don't get it." See what I'm saying?

There is no magical all-in-one distro. That's PR-crap! There are distros for beginners, which want to advance in future, there distros for pros (rather spartan aka KISS) and there are distros for the casual user, browsing the web, using mail etc. with a certain degree of bling.


I don't think anyone was saying there is a magical all-in-one distro. I also don't think it's fair to call Ubuntu a beginner distro that pros need not look into because there's absolutely nothing stopping a long-time advanced user from getting the most out of an Ubuntu setup if that person finds it just works best for him. The distros that are "for pros" in your eyes are distros that most would consider are for niche markets or specialized purposes, such as security-testing distros or Arch or Gentoo which allow for a high degree of customization. I don't see why some people insist that technical users as a rule cannot or should not use what they find works best for them, and anyone who would mock me as an inexperienced user for choosing at times to use Ubuntu would be ignorant to the fact that I am comfortable in a wide range of distros performing a wide range of tasks.

In short, the only bashing of distros and users I see going on in this discussion is by people who would equate "Slackware user" with "enlightened one".

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