Linked by Kroc Camen on Sat 29th May 2010 20:41 UTC
Apple I've been meaning to write this for some time, and for all the time I delayed the more poignant the point I wanted to make started to become as new news came out further solidifying my angle. When I begun writing this article the iPad had not yet been revealed, iPhone OS 4 was not on the map and Apple had not yet purchased Lala. You've probably just noticed that all of these events in fact point toward Apple embracing the web more and in this article I will point out why this is not the case because I believe Apple's agenda here is similar to something we've already seen in recent history.
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RE: IE8 will be the next IE6
by Kroc on Sat 29th May 2010 21:21 UTC in reply to "IE8 will be the next IE6"
Kroc
Member since:
2005-11-10

Also: http://smokescreen.us/demos/sb110demo.html (Chrome is fastest).

HTML5 can implement Flash, but Flash can’t implement HTML5 ;)

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mtzmtulivu Member since:
2006-11-14


HTML5 can implement Flash, but Flash can’t implement HTML5 ;)

The problem with web standards most people seem to conveniently forget when bashing flash is they they are complex and different browser pick and choose what to implement and what not to and introduce their own undocumented behaviors on parts they implement.

Flash has its issues but it allowed web developers to "write once and run the code on multiple browsers across multiple operating systems.

html5 can implement flash? what version of what browser has all the component you will need? and what of DRM on contents? any input on how html5 can handle it?

html5 has great potential when it matures and most browsers have implemented a good subset of it with relatively less bugs. Its not there yet.

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RE[3]: IE8 will be the next IE6
by Kroc on Sat 29th May 2010 21:53 in reply to "RE[2]: IE8 will be the next IE6"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Not a single mobile has Flash 10 yet.

Hundreds have HTML5, already.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

HTML5 will be good for interfaces and ads but Flash will be around for video. If not Flash then some other plug-in.

NBC and Time Warner are the latest publishers to show a lack of interest in HTML5.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2364290,00.asp

A bit problem with HTML5 Video is that it was designed without considering the needs of content producers.

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RE[2]: IE8 will be the next IE6
by tyrione on Sun 30th May 2010 01:52 in reply to "RE: IE8 will be the next IE6"
tyrione Member since:
2005-11-21

Also: http://smokescreen.us/demos/sb110demo.html (Chrome is fastest).

HTML5 can implement Flash, but Flash can’t implement HTML5 ;)


At least have the cahoons to test against WebKit Nightly. Good gawd, both the iPhone and releases Safari are 6 months or older.

Wake me up when WebKit2 is in release mode for Safari and then try and brag that Chrome is fastest.

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phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Who cares what's fastest at some future point? All that matters is what's fastest right now. You don't see Guiness adding world records for things that haven't happened yet.

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RE[3]: IE8 will be the next IE6
by Kroc on Sun 30th May 2010 09:18 in reply to "RE[2]: IE8 will be the next IE6"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Hang on, you miss read my comment. I wasn’t browser bashing I was literally stating that people who would like to view the link should ideally use Chrome because for me it was the only browser that could play it real time and Firefox was terribly slow. I was assuming released browsers and not nightlies.

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jgagnon Member since:
2008-06-24

Seriously... how many people use nightly builds versus released versions?

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RE[2]: IE8 will be the next IE6
by Moochman on Sun 30th May 2010 15:19 in reply to "RE: IE8 will be the next IE6"
Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

Also: http://smokescreen.us/demos/sb110demo.html (Chrome is fastest).

HTML5 can implement Flash, but Flash can’t implement HTML5 ;)


Holy crap, that's incredible! Admittedly it has some audio sync issues but still!

My question is, if it's apparently so quick and easy to put together a Flash-to-HTML5 translator, why is it taking so long to put together a decent alternative Flash player? I can only guess the answer is that specs are easy to understand and translate, but actual rendering etc. is not so easy to implement...

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apoclypse Member since:
2007-02-17

The issue is the flash runtime. It hard to get a consistent alternative flash runtime since the actual Adobe runtime is not documented and does a lot of things in the background that is not clearly understood, even with reverse engineering. The SWF format is very much an open spec and can be implemented by anyone, but the flash runtime is the real problem and is one of the main reasons we don't have any viable alternatives at the moment.

That demo is impressive and it ran really well in Safari on my machine. The issue s going to be older flash files, or more complex flash movies that have far more going on as well as sites with video.

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