Linked by Kroc Camen on Sat 29th May 2010 20:41 UTC
Apple I've been meaning to write this for some time, and for all the time I delayed the more poignant the point I wanted to make started to become as new news came out further solidifying my angle. When I begun writing this article the iPad had not yet been revealed, iPhone OS 4 was not on the map and Apple had not yet purchased Lala. You've probably just noticed that all of these events in fact point toward Apple embracing the web more and in this article I will point out why this is not the case because I believe Apple's agenda here is similar to something we've already seen in recent history.
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Google!
by Windows Sucks on Sat 29th May 2010 22:42 UTC
Windows Sucks
Member since:
2005-11-10

People act as if Google is some super friendly open source company! It's not, it's open to an extent because it's in it's business interests. If they start to lose money in their ad business they will do whatever they need to in order to preserve their business. That is business. No different then Oracle, Microsoft, IBM, Novell, Apple, Facebook etc! The goal of a business, Esp a public company is to make profits almost anyway legally possible. If that means lock in then they will lock you in with a kung Fu grip! Lol!

Personally lock in does not bother me if I get good products. I hated MS lock in because MS products sucked so bad for so long. Same with Oracle.

Apple needs to do some work also, I am liking Googles products at this point!

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RE: Google!
by WorknMan on Sat 29th May 2010 23:07 in reply to "Google!"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

People act as if Google is some super friendly open source company! It's not, it's open to an extent because it's in it's business interests.


This person speaks the truth. In about 5 years or so, Google will be the new 'Most Evil' company... I'm callin' it right here. That doesn't mean we have to boycott them or anything.. I mean, as long as they haven't fallen to the dark side yet, then they're still ok.

In regard to HTML5, as a power user, I'm not so sure I want all of my apps running in a web browser, for a multitude of reasons. OTOH, we'll see what the landscape looks like in 10-20 years, but as of now, native apps are going to be faster and have more functionality than their web equivalents 98% of the time.

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RE[2]: Google!
by mtzmtulivu on Sat 29th May 2010 23:21 in reply to "RE: Google!"
mtzmtulivu Member since:
2006-11-14

google is a company and just like any other company, their primary interest is increasing share holder value. Google will get most FOSS support as long as their interests are inline with those of the FOSS world and will loose the support the second their interest change.

Open source ideas and implementations do not allow/minimize lock-ins and the cost of "dumping" somebody when interests are no longer in agreement is not very high, this is the strength of open source ideas.

Most people in the FOSS world recognizes google's abilities and the damage they could have when they change their tunes and take comfort in open source licenses,technologies and open standards google is using on data on people;s hands.

have your contents on your hard drive and google will most likely never touch you since they arent into locking ins on things you have on your possession.

Have your stuff on their servers and all bets are off. open source anything wont help you if you dont have your data in your possession.

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RE: Google!
by Ikshaar on Sat 29th May 2010 23:08 in reply to "Google!"
Ikshaar Member since:
2005-07-14

People act as if Google is some super friendly open source company!

well because so far it has been... but you miss the point. For Google, which goal is to reach as many people as possible, and is paid by ads, development of application is not its business, nor does it threaten its revenues. That's why they came release some many free applications.

If one day, someone develop an app/website/device/whatever which remove the need to use a search engine, then it will be a problem for Google.. but we are not there.

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RE[2]: Google!
by mrhasbean on Sun 30th May 2010 04:55 in reply to "RE: Google!"
mrhasbean Member since:
2006-04-03

well because so far it has been...


So far it has fooled people into believing it has been. Google is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Yes some of Apple's policies are draconian, and Jobs is a control freak, but when you use their stuff you know up front what you're getting. It's in their agreements, licences, etc, and those things are provided with every bit of hardware or software they sell and are presented to the user for every service they sell, yes even iTunes.

Google on the other hand use proprietary and very secret routines to collect significant quantities of your private information to use for their own financial gain without ever asking you if they can collect or use it. Captured searches, indexing personal web sites, tracking 'net usage through the safe harbour service that's now used as default by many ISP's - all without once asking if you're ok with them capturing your information.

If Google voluntarily purge all data captured to date from these services, make their indexing service only index sites that specifically allow it and presente data collection opt-in click through's for their search and DNS services, then I'd believe they're interested in being truly open.

Until then they are no different to any other corporation, they will do whatever they can get away with within the bounds of the law to make money and give themselves a competitive edge over their competition. No different to Microsoft, Adobe, Apple, HP, Ford, BP, McDonalds, %INSERT ANY COMMERCIAL CORPORATION HERE%...

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RE: Google!
by MissingBeOS on Sun 30th May 2010 06:13 in reply to "Google!"
MissingBeOS Member since:
2010-01-26

Man, I haven't heard the old "G.I. Joe and the Kung-Fu Grip" in forever! ;)

You make an excellent point. This all boils down to business. There isn't a single company out there with shareolders, that I am aware of, that can be considered "open source," etc. Google makes great stuff; no question about that. They are, however, a very big, very successful corporation and if push comes to shove, they'll operate as they see fit to maximize their profit. There's nothing to prevent them from doing a perceived 180 on any stance they've taken, if they think it will improve their business.

Thinking that Google is this warm & fuzzy gaggle of open-source, open-web, starry-eyed idealists is not being very realistic.

That all being said, everyone using any company's products ultimately has control, through the power of their wallet (metaphorical for "free" downloads.) If some company's actions are so reprehensible to your sensibilities, vote with your wallet and don't use their stuff. Pretty easy.

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RE[2]: Google!
by Windows Sucks on Sun 30th May 2010 13:32 in reply to "RE: Google!"
Windows Sucks Member since:
2005-11-10

I remember this song about XMas that always makes me laugh. It has a part:

That's why the presents keep getting mixed up
cause year after year you keep messing up
and now I know why cause you always drunk
instead of G.I. Joe you send me this junk

That ain't a G.I. Joe that's a G.I. jerk
with a kungfu grip that don't even work
so all I did was just put him away
cause my G.I. Joe looked G.I. gay! Lol!

You are right though! This America! It's all about the money! Google giving away stuff that will bring more people to their search and their ads. Any issues there and the free will no longer be free!

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RE: Google! - lockin
by jabbotts on Sun 30th May 2010 23:26 in reply to "Google!"
jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

"Personally lock in does not bother me if I get good products. "

Good products don't rely on lock-in.

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RE[2]: Google! - lockin
by Windows Sucks on Sun 30th May 2010 23:35 in reply to "RE: Google! - lockin"
Windows Sucks Member since:
2005-11-10

"Good products don't rely on lock-in.


That would mean almost every product from every major software company suck. Esp Microsoft the king of lock in.

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