Linked by Kroc Camen on Sat 29th May 2010 20:41 UTC
Apple I've been meaning to write this for some time, and for all the time I delayed the more poignant the point I wanted to make started to become as new news came out further solidifying my angle. When I begun writing this article the iPad had not yet been revealed, iPhone OS 4 was not on the map and Apple had not yet purchased Lala. You've probably just noticed that all of these events in fact point toward Apple embracing the web more and in this article I will point out why this is not the case because I believe Apple's agenda here is similar to something we've already seen in recent history.
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nt_jerkface
Member since:
2009-08-26


As for ones that don't do this, sure: Eclipse (and by extension Flash Builder and many other development tools), IntelliJ, NetBeans, Matlab, Maple, LimeWire, Azureus/Vuze,


OMFG how long has this been the Java desktop example list?

Your platform has serious problems when the star desktop apps have been the same group of IDEs and bittorrent programs for years.

Who would even use swing these days when there is Qt?

Java on the desktop is dead. We had the wake years ago.

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Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

Um, OK. I just listed off the first that came to mind.
But why don't you list off the names of cross-platform apps written in Qt. You will find that they have stayed pretty much the same, too--Picasa, Google Earth, and... not much else springs to mind actually. Flex--admittedly they've got some fresher programs, but nothing with the complexity of the Java apps mentioned, and for good reason. How about some other cross-platform toolkits? Let's take a look at XUL. Firefox, Thunderbird and Co, Komodo IDE--that's most of it. GTK+? Well, there's Pidgin, GIMP, AbiWord... nothing much new there either.

How does claiming that it's the "same old list" prove anything? It's the same with most desktop software across the board.

Put another way, if I were to list off a bunch of little-known Java apps, would it really support my argument? By the same extension I think you'll have trouble finding many examples of apps written in any other toolkit that don't warrant the same answer from me of "oh, those same apps listed again"?

I admit that JavaFX has been off to a slow start and Swing is getting a bit long in the tooth, but writing off Java on the desktop entirely seems to me to be unreasonably short-sighted.

Btw, if you want proof that plenty of people are gleefully ignoring your kind of FUD and just creating things with technology that works, take a look at one of the most innovative projects mentioned on OSNews not too long ago, Code Bubbles.

http://www.cs.brown.edu/people/acb/codebubbles_site.htm

Edited 2010-05-31 18:26 UTC

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Um, OK. I just listed off the first that came to mind.
But why don't you list off the names of cross-platform apps written in Qt. You will find that they have stayed pretty much the same, too--Picasa, Google Earth, and... not much else springs to mind actually.


Maya, CineFX, FreeCad, MythTV, Skype, Scribus, Qcab, Wordpress.


How does claiming that it's the "same old list" prove anything? It's the same with most desktop software across the board.


All the recent popular desktop applications have been written in something other than Java. How long has Java been promoted for desktop development?


By the same extension I think you'll have trouble finding many examples of apps written in any other toolkit that don't warrant the same answer from me of "oh, those same apps listed again"?


No you can't say the same for .Net, GTK or Qt.


I admit that JavaFX has been off to a slow start and Swing is getting a bit long in the tooth, but writing off Java on the desktop entirely seems to me to be unreasonably short-sighted.


I wrote off Java on the desktop years ago when it was still being hyped.

Nokia has a competent team on working on Qt and they'll pull even farther ahead of Java in the next few years.

I wasted enough of my time with Java. I was one of those programmers that Sun completely ignored even though we all had the same complaints: Make use of the host's native GUI, reduce the runtime size, and fix distribution issues.

But the arrogant pricks at Sun didn't listen and now Sun is the property of Oracle, the same company that former Sun CEO Jonathan D-Bag Schwartz derided for being proprietary. Will Oracle give Java the funding it needs? Who knows and at this point it doesn't matter since it is doubtful they would be able to put together a team that can compete with Qt or Visual Studio. In four years Qt will be the cross-platform development toolkit and Java will be even further marginalized to cell phones.

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