Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Jun 2010 15:36 UTC
Internet & Networking Earlier this week, Apple launched a HTML5 Showcase page, displaying several uses for HTML5 and related technologies. However, it turns out that Apple is using trickery to block out browsers other than Safari, with the end result that browsers with better support for web standards than Safari can't access the demos.
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RE: Overblown
by yoshi314@gmail.com on Fri 4th Jun 2010 16:45 UTC in reply to "Overblown"
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2009-12-14

"What really makes me feel like the "trickery" comment is unjustified, however, is that when you click on the demo links it says very clearly that they need you to use Safari. That's miles ahead of other websites that block unsupported yet capable browsers without any kind of explanation at all. They're upfront about their chicanery =). "

the lie is that you don't really need safari to properly render that page. i bet most webkit based browsers would display it the right way. it makes an impression as if safari is the only browser that can do it. and obviously, linux is not included ;)

and by doing it this way you cannot compare the rendering to alternate browsers.

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RE[2]: Overblown
by earksiinni on Fri 4th Jun 2010 16:59 in reply to "RE: Overblown"
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2009-03-27

the lie is that you don't really need safari to properly render that page. i bet most webkit based browsers would display it the right way.


Agreed. I'm not saying that Apple is a white sheep, I'm just saying that they're not really trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes. Now, if that occurs as a side effect, I don't think they'll object =).

it makes an impression as if safari is the only browser that can do it.


I'm not so sure about this. Anyone who is tech savvy enough to realize what Apple has done will also be knowledgeable enough to know that Chrome/other WebKit browsers can do the same thing. For that matter, if you're that tech savvy, you probably think that this page is meant to be an HTML5 showcase for the purpose of showcasing the HTML5 web standard, because HTML5 is what you care about. On the other hand, Apple is very clear about this page's purpose: it is an HTML5 showcase meant to showcase Safari's support for HTML5. That's probably what the "average" user comes away with, since that's what's written.

In other words, I'm questioning the premise of Haavard's post and this blog's coverage. I don't think this was meant to be an HTML5 demo at all; it is explicitly a Safari demo. Apple's loud branding of HTML5 all over the page doesn't strike me as them saying "Come check out this cool new open web standard!" Rather, it screams, "We support HTML5, and look at how realistic an option replacing Flash with HTML5 is when you use Apple technology!"

DISCLAIMER: I don't own a single piece of Apple hardware or software other than my old Mac SE running System 6.

Edit: mangled quotation block

Edited 2010-06-04 17:00 UTC

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RE[2]: Overblown
by Moochman on Sat 5th Jun 2010 13:35 in reply to "RE: Overblown"
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2005-07-06

the lie is that you don't really need safari to properly render that page. i bet most webkit based browsers would display it the right way.


Exactly. And not even just WebKit browsers--there's a decent chance Firefox would do just fine as well. Google also has this kind of site--they call it "Chrome Experiments"

http://www.chromeexperiments.com/

...and most of them run just fine in Firefox. Plus they allow anyone to submit stuff themselves.

Just goes to show the difference in approach between Google and Apple. I know which one I prefer.

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