Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Jun 2010 15:36 UTC
Internet & Networking Earlier this week, Apple launched a HTML5 Showcase page, displaying several uses for HTML5 and related technologies. However, it turns out that Apple is using trickery to block out browsers other than Safari, with the end result that browsers with better support for web standards than Safari can't access the demos.
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RE[3]: Still unclear
by PresentIt on Fri 4th Jun 2010 18:25 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Still unclear"
PresentIt
Member since:
2010-02-10

The needs of people are real, despite the fact that HTML5 and other open standards offerings have no caught up. The lack of progress on that front does not make the problems of everyday users disappear.

Lack of progress? LOL.

We're holding back progress for the sake of ubiquity

No, what's holding back progress is stuff like Flash and Silverlight. These are extremely restrictive. Have you seen what it's finally possible to do with native video support in browsers? Flash and Silverlight could only dream of that.

The video tag will never gain critical mass without support for a protected path, there's just no way you're going to convince content providers to do so.

The most popular video site on the web is moving to HTML5.

I think the browser vendors could be more productive in getting HTML5 interactive demos running above a few frames a second before trashing RIA platforms like Silverlight and AIR (Yes, even AIR, and AIR sucks.)

So, you clearly haven't seen the latest browser demos.

Silverlight supports browser zooming (which is vector based and works better than even Html content).

Silverlight is a dead end.

A lot of the so called issues with Silverlight are fabricated. Plain and simple

Much like your issues with HTML5, then.

Edited 2010-06-04 18:26 UTC

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RE[4]: Still unclear
by Nelson on Fri 4th Jun 2010 18:37 in reply to "RE[3]: Still unclear"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Lack of progress? LOL.


Yes, a lack of progress. Html5 is simply an incoherent method of describing any kind of user interface. You try to shoehorn a bunch of incompatible standards and you spend more time getting them to play nice than actually getting the job done (databinding vs dom tree traversal and css selectors)


No, what's holding back progress is stuff like Flash and Silverlight. These are extremely restrictive. Have you seen what it's finally possible to do with native video support in browsers? Flash and Silverlight could only dream of that.


Let's play a game, you get specific on what native video support can do in the browser..and I'll do it in less lines of code, at a higher framerate with Silverlight.

I can treat a video as a bitmap surface, with manipulation speed as fast as the Gpu can render a quad, and apply pixel shaders to the said video on the fly.

Please. From someone who's been using Silverlight since it was called Wpf/E, I honestly want you to try me.


The most popular video site on the web is moving to HTML5.


How old is YouTube? Technology moves incredibly fast. What is the king today will not be the king tomorrow necessarily. Also, you can kiss goodbye any chances YouTube had of getting live streaming or video rentals if you go with Html5.


So, you clearly haven't seen the latest browser demos.


I've seen them, and I've been able to do that level of interaction since Silverlight 1/2 .. at a higher framerate.


Silverlight is a dead end.


Yeah, I guess you can say that. If you want to be completely closed minded. Sure.


Much like your issues with HTML5, then.


Nah.

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RE[5]: Still unclear
by Kroc on Fri 4th Jun 2010 19:03 in reply to "RE[4]: Still unclear"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

But Silverlight only works on Windows and Intel Macs. Linux doesn’t count because that’s not actual, official Silverlight and might not work with certain features or certain distros at the behest of Microsoft. Where is that Moonlight VC-1 binary blob for ARM?

One day you will sit in front of your computer and realise that Silverlight has been a complete dead-end waste of time that has tied you to an awful company that is completely behind the times and unable to innovate in the web space and you will be forced to accept that HTML has won because it doesn’t need to be installed, it doesn’t wait for Microsoft and it works on all devices on all platforms on all architectures and it is the _only_ way to get content to everybody because there will never be plugin monopoly in the mobile space with the diversity of hardware and operating systems that are appearing.

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RE[5]: Still unclear
by chris_l on Sat 5th Jun 2010 11:52 in reply to "RE[4]: Still unclear"
chris_l Member since:
2010-02-14

How old is YouTube? Technology moves incredibly fast. What is the king today will not be the king tomorrow necessarily. Also, you can kiss goodbye any chances YouTube had of getting live streaming or video rentals if you go with Html5.


Who cares? I'ld rather go out and buy a dvd rather than put up with *THAT* bullshit.

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RE[4]: Still unclear
by Neolander on Fri 4th Jun 2010 20:49 in reply to "RE[3]: Still unclear"
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

"I think the browser vendors could be more productive in getting HTML5 interactive demos running above a few frames a second before trashing RIA platforms like Silverlight and AIR (Yes, even AIR, and AIR sucks.)

So, you clearly haven't seen the latest browser demos.
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Myself, I have seen the "latest browser demos", in the form of HTML5 video on Kroc's website. Looking at it, it *does* run at 3-4 fps at best. Probably less. Don't know, when scrolling doesn't work smoothly in my browser anymore, I start to go berserk...

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RE[5]: Still unclear
by Nelson on Fri 4th Jun 2010 21:13 in reply to "RE[4]: Still unclear"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

Yeah, and I'm still shocked how people can say it's "good enough"? As if web users should be forced to deal with mediocrity for the sake of having politically motivated developers feel principled.

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RE[5]: Still unclear
by Vargol on Fri 4th Jun 2010 21:46 in reply to "RE[4]: Still unclear"
Vargol Member since:
2006-02-28

Looking at it, it *does* run at 3-4 fps at best. Probably less. Don't know, when scrolling doesn't work smoothly in my browser anymore, I start to go berserk...


You've got serious problems with your computer even my ancient iMac
(32 bit 2GZ Core Duo, ATI RadeonX1600) plays it full speed at 20% CPU. Playing the same video on flash on Vimeo averages around 87% and at one point got up to 115%.

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