Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 4th Jun 2010 15:36 UTC
Internet & Networking Earlier this week, Apple launched a HTML5 Showcase page, displaying several uses for HTML5 and related technologies. However, it turns out that Apple is using trickery to block out browsers other than Safari, with the end result that browsers with better support for web standards than Safari can't access the demos.
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RE[4]: Still unclear
by Nelson on Fri 4th Jun 2010 18:37 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Still unclear"
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

Lack of progress? LOL.


Yes, a lack of progress. Html5 is simply an incoherent method of describing any kind of user interface. You try to shoehorn a bunch of incompatible standards and you spend more time getting them to play nice than actually getting the job done (databinding vs dom tree traversal and css selectors)


No, what's holding back progress is stuff like Flash and Silverlight. These are extremely restrictive. Have you seen what it's finally possible to do with native video support in browsers? Flash and Silverlight could only dream of that.


Let's play a game, you get specific on what native video support can do in the browser..and I'll do it in less lines of code, at a higher framerate with Silverlight.

I can treat a video as a bitmap surface, with manipulation speed as fast as the Gpu can render a quad, and apply pixel shaders to the said video on the fly.

Please. From someone who's been using Silverlight since it was called Wpf/E, I honestly want you to try me.


The most popular video site on the web is moving to HTML5.


How old is YouTube? Technology moves incredibly fast. What is the king today will not be the king tomorrow necessarily. Also, you can kiss goodbye any chances YouTube had of getting live streaming or video rentals if you go with Html5.


So, you clearly haven't seen the latest browser demos.


I've seen them, and I've been able to do that level of interaction since Silverlight 1/2 .. at a higher framerate.


Silverlight is a dead end.


Yeah, I guess you can say that. If you want to be completely closed minded. Sure.


Much like your issues with HTML5, then.


Nah.

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RE[5]: Still unclear
by Kroc on Fri 4th Jun 2010 19:03 in reply to "RE[4]: Still unclear"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

But Silverlight only works on Windows and Intel Macs. Linux doesn’t count because that’s not actual, official Silverlight and might not work with certain features or certain distros at the behest of Microsoft. Where is that Moonlight VC-1 binary blob for ARM?

One day you will sit in front of your computer and realise that Silverlight has been a complete dead-end waste of time that has tied you to an awful company that is completely behind the times and unable to innovate in the web space and you will be forced to accept that HTML has won because it doesn’t need to be installed, it doesn’t wait for Microsoft and it works on all devices on all platforms on all architectures and it is the _only_ way to get content to everybody because there will never be plugin monopoly in the mobile space with the diversity of hardware and operating systems that are appearing.

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RE[6]: Still unclear
by Nelson on Fri 4th Jun 2010 19:11 in reply to "RE[5]: Still unclear"
Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

But Silverlight only works on Windows and Intel Macs. Linux doesn’t count because that’s not actual, official Silverlight and might not work with certain features or certain distros at the behest of Microsoft. Where is that Moonlight VC-1 binary blob for ARM?


And Symbian, and Windows Phone. The Moonlight plugin is remarkably advanced, and with a little elbow grease, I can and have gotten my RIAs to render just fine.

It's usually a case of hopping on a mailing list or on irc and talking to the moonlight hackers, so it does take a little work, but I don't think it's stated enough how close they are to feature parity with eachother.


One day you will sit in front of your computer and realise that Silverlight has been a complete dead-end waste of time that has tied you to an awful company that is completely behind the times and unable to innovate in the web space and you will be forced to accept that HTML has won because it doesn’t need to be installed, it doesn’t wait for Microsoft and it works on all devices on all platforms on all architectures and it is the _only_ way to get content to everybody because there will never be plugin monopoly in the mobile space with the diversity of hardware and operating systems that are appearing.


I realize the plugin situation is not ideal, which is why I'd push for deeper integration of Silverlight beyond the constraints of the plugin frameworks for the various browsers.

Silverlight is more than a browser technology, and as it, and WPF converge, it will emerge as the true cross platform programming solution.

I'd like to see it have first citizen support in browsers along side HTML, and eventually replace HTML, CSS, Javascript, and SVG.

It always took someone breaking compatiblity and pioneering for any real change to come about on the web. As the web and the client side of apps become more blured, Silverlight will come more into focus.

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RE[5]: Still unclear
by chris_l on Sat 5th Jun 2010 11:52 in reply to "RE[4]: Still unclear"
chris_l Member since:
2010-02-14

How old is YouTube? Technology moves incredibly fast. What is the king today will not be the king tomorrow necessarily. Also, you can kiss goodbye any chances YouTube had of getting live streaming or video rentals if you go with Html5.


Who cares? I'ld rather go out and buy a dvd rather than put up with *THAT* bullshit.

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