Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 7th Jun 2010 09:46 UTC, submitted by dmbkiwi
KDE "The latest in the 4.x series of the KDE Software Compilation is due to be released in early August 2010. With the first beta of this release recently unleashed, I thought I'd download the openSuse packages and see what 4.5 has got in store for us."
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My experiences with SC 4.5b1
by KAMiKAZOW on Mon 7th Jun 2010 10:40 UTC
KAMiKAZOW
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2005-07-06

I tried SC 4.5b1 for a few days. Overall I found the experience to be OK, but considering it's only at Beta 1 stage, nothing mind-blowing could've been expected.

I liked the reorganization of System Settings. IMO it's a huge boost in usability.

I liked the general idea behind the Systray tweaks, but in Beta 1 the execution still lacks: The "expand arrow" and the "notification i-icon" switched sides without apparent reason. Kinda felt Ubuntu 10.04-ish. I hope that in the upcoming betas the Plasma team either switches the positions back again or reveals to us why the change was made. ;-)
Giving the systray icons a dbus-based menu (probably the first somewhat major contribution by Canonical to KDE ever) is also great in theory, but it requires a yet-to-be-released version of Qt 4.7 to work properly (with Qt 4.6 and the current 4.7beta you lose all icons in context menus).

I didn't try KWin's tiling feature. I'm on a 15.4" notebook, so I guess it's to few screen space anyway. I also am still getting used to KWin's tabbing feature that was introduced in 4.4.

I -- for now -- switched back to SC 4.4 because of the following regressions:
1.) I like dark Plasma themes, but Oxygen is currently not tweaked for the new systray (only the light Air theme is).

2.) Qt 4.7 is currently way too buggy. It can't remember list sorting which is really annoying in the address book (contact entries are ordered randomly and not alphabetically).

3.) Something caused KWin to require 10% CPU all the time. It wasn't a regression in KWin itself, because downgrading KWin alone to 4.4 didn't help.

4.) The QuickAccess applet crashed Plasma.

5.) The combination of new Systray and Qt 4.7 don't work well with tray icons spawned by older Qt applications: VLC and Skype generate a 16x16 window which is visible all the time when the tray icon is also visible (should be fixed when the application authors recompile their apps).

While I was annoyed by those bugs, I have to say that for a Beta 1 release it's actually quite good. Except QuickAccess's crash (which is a unmaintained 3rd party applet), I didn't encounter any crashes. I've seen final software releases do worse than that. ;-)
Nokia and KDE still have quite some time to fix Qt 4.7 and SC 4.5 before their final releases. SC 4.5 comes out in August (don't know about Qt 4.7).

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Pinaraf Member since:
2010-06-07

Giving the systray icons a dbus-based menu (probably the first somewhat major contribution by Canonical to KDE ever)

As far as I know, it is not a Canonical contribution. The systray over dbus design has been made by KDE folks in Q4 2010/Q1 2009... See Aaron Seigo blog for more info...
http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/04/system-trays.html

Edited 2010-06-07 11:05 UTC

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KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

As far as I know, it is not a Canonical contribution. The systray over dbus design has been made by KDE folks in Q4 2010/Q1 2009

You're confusing two thing. Icons via dbus is a KDE design.
I was explicitly writing menus via dbus and that's by Canonical: http://people.canonical.com/~agateau/dbusmenu/index.html

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ple_mono Member since:
2005-07-26

I liked the general idea behind the Systray tweaks, but in Beta 1 the execution still lacks: The "expand arrow" and the "notification i-icon" switched sides without apparent reason. Kinda felt Ubuntu 10.04-ish.

I'm not to keen on the whole monoscrome systray thing. I can certainly understand that some people may like it, but i did prefer the old colorful notification icons, especially as kde always did seem to frame the notification area correctly and put proper spacing between the icons. So esthetically, i personally see no benefit to the new look.

If one had the choice for monochrome vs full color, that'd be nice. Tell me, is this a feature of the icon theme, like it is in gnome, or is it "hardcoded"?

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KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

You're right. I was confused by that, too. While I have nothing against monochrome icons, when I used SC 4.5, there was that weird mix of colorful and monochome icons. That mix looked out of place.

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RE: My experiences with SC 4.5b1
by mart on Mon 7th Jun 2010 15:18 in reply to "My experiences with SC 4.5b1"
mart Member since:
2005-11-17


I -- for now -- switched back to SC 4.4 because of the following regressions:
1.) I like dark Plasma themes, but Oxygen is currently not tweaked for the new systray (only the light Air theme is).


uhm, it's white icons on dark background, looks fine here (in the future there could be a different systray theme for oxygen but seems to work quite nicely so far).
however there was a bug in the rendering of the background of the systray that i think has slipped into beta1, should be fixed by now


2.) Qt 4.7 is currently way too buggy. It can't remember list sorting which is really annoying in the address book (contact entries are ordered randomly and not alphabetically).


KDE SC 4.5 doesn't depend on Qt 4.7


3.) Something caused KWin to require 10% CPU all the time. It wasn't a regression in KWin itself, because downgrading KWin alone to 4.4 didn't help.

doesn't seem to happen here, make sure developers are informed tough


4.) The QuickAccess applet crashed Plasma.

iirc should have already been fixed post beta1


5.) The combination of new Systray and Qt 4.7 don't work well with tray icons spawned by older Qt applications: VLC and Skype generate a 16x16 window which is visible all the time when the tray icon is also visible (should be fixed when the application authors recompile their apps).

yeah noticed it as well, but again, at the moment the best Qt release to run 4.5 is Qt 4.6.3

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KAMiKAZOW Member since:
2005-07-06

uhm, it's white icons on dark background, looks fine here (in the future there could be a different systray theme for oxygen but seems to work quite nicely so far).
however there was a bug in the rendering of the background of the systray that i think has slipped into beta1, should be fixed by now


The frame of the systray looked weird.
Don't know if that's the background bug.

KDE SC 4.5 doesn't depend on Qt 4.7

Yeah, I know, but I had hoped that the Qt 4.7 version in openSUSE's repo already had the icon patch.


doesn't seem to happen here, make sure developers are informed tough

Hard to inform any developers if I don't even know which component is responsible? Qt 4.7 (=Nokia)? GPU drivers (=NVidia)? XServer (=Xorg)? Plasma (=KDE)?
I'm using openSUSE 11.2. Maybe a component that already has a newer version without that bug is already out. I'll test it again once I have a Live CD with more recent components (incl SC 4.5) at hand.

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