Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 8th Jun 2010 22:07 UTC
Apple When Apple announced its iAd mobile advertising initiative, many of us wondered how this would effect other mobile advertising agencies on the iPhone, and more specifically, Google's AdMob. Well, now we know: Apple has revised its iOS developer agreement to specifically lock out Google's AdMod. And then people wonder why Apple is no longer the darling of the geek world.
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RE: Comment by Praxis
by poundsmack on Tue 8th Jun 2010 22:30 UTC in reply to "Comment by Praxis"
poundsmack
Member since:
2005-07-13

"I'm pretty sure it will be justified because apple is a business and the iphone is there product and they don't have to let anyone else play in their little sandbox."

ya but here is the messed up part. Remember the EU (using most recent examples) making forcing MS to provide choices? to make sure vendor lock in was dialed back a bit? Where the hell are they for this kind of stuff?! I don't really have an issue with it, it's apples product and they can do what they want with it. Sadly, it will likely do great and further allow Jobs to lock anything and everything out he doesn't want. BUT i would love to see it all back fire and the computing industry say "If apple doesnt want to work with us, then we don't want to work with apple." BUT INSTEAD! we get this "Apple doesn't want to work with us, so we are going to conforom to apple in order to be usable by their products" and i get why they are doing it, apples portable products are sure market successes, but.... ugggg, i am not gonna get into it because it legitimately bothers me.

I will say this. If they reject the .NET stuff that is powering Unity for the iPhone I swear to god I will put in so much effrot into the WinCE 7, WebOS and (yes i am saying it)Andoid market that the massive project I have been working on forever will NOT and NEVER WILL be tuned to fit what Apple wants.

You want to win people over, build a prduct for the people. You want to control the industry, talk to Jobs...

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RE[2]: Comment by Praxis
by Praxis on Tue 8th Jun 2010 22:40 in reply to "RE: Comment by Praxis"
Praxis Member since:
2009-09-17


ya but here is the messed up part. Remember the EU (using most recent examples) making forcing MS to provide choices?


Apple's still not quite big enough to be considered a monopoly yet, and underhanded business practices aren't illegal so long as your not a monopoly, there're just underhanded. If enough competition can form against Apple then they may be forced to back off a bit without the government doing anything. And until Apple does something illegal then the government shouldn't do anything.

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RE[3]: Comment by Praxis
by jgagnon on Tue 8th Jun 2010 22:42 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Praxis"
jgagnon Member since:
2008-06-24

Governments frequently do what they shouldn't.

Just saying... :p

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RE[2]: Comment by Praxis
by WorknMan on Tue 8th Jun 2010 23:12 in reply to "RE: Comment by Praxis"
WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

ya but here is the messed up part. Remember the EU (using most recent examples) making forcing MS to provide choices? to make sure vendor lock in was dialed back a bit? Where the hell are they for this kind of stuff?!


The EU didn't get involved with the Microsoft case until about 10 years after it actually mattered and alternative browsers were gaining ground on their own, proving that their interference was never needed to begin with.

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RE[3]: Comment by Praxis
by JAlexoid on Thu 10th Jun 2010 08:19 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by Praxis"
JAlexoid Member since:
2009-05-19

EU didn't get involved because up to that point EU structures were being set-up. When they finally had the "balls" and the power, they immediately went after the offenders.

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RE[2]: Comment by Praxis
by fgrasset on Wed 9th Jun 2010 00:05 in reply to "RE: Comment by Praxis"
fgrasset Member since:
2005-12-02

Remember the EU (using most recent examples) making forcing MS to provide choices? to make sure vendor lock in was dialed back a bit? Where the hell are they for this kind of stuff?!


Well are the mobile ad company complaining? No because, iOS 4 is not even released... When released, then eventually some ad company will complain, then the EU will look at the case and... well what marked share?? less than 40% are you kidding???
Eventually when Apple get 70% of the ad market (!!!) then EU will have to be serious about that...

I don't really have an issue with it, it's apples product and they can do what they want with it. Sadly, it will likely do great and further allow Jobs to lock anything and everything out he doesn't want. BUT i would love to see it all back fire and the computing industry say "If apple doesnt want to work with us, then we don't want to work with apple." BUT INSTEAD! we get this "Apple doesn't want to work with us, so we are going to conforom to apple in order to be usable by their products" and i get why they are doing it, apples portable products are sure market successes, but.... ugggg, i am not gonna get into it because it legitimately bothers me.
I will say this. If they reject the .NET stuff that is powering Unity for the iPhone I swear to god I will put in so much effrot into the WinCE 7, WebOS and (yes i am saying it)Andoid market that the massive project I have been working on forever will NOT and NEVER WILL be tuned to fit what Apple wants.


So your issue in fact is that the developer relation policy of Apple doesn’t suit you? Just go with Microsoft... oh wait they change their policy too?
HP... oh wait the WebOS apps market is not here yet... and you don’t know the HP policy about developers...
Google... oh wait their client are not your client and the Android market is not their priority... the Android platform many of little blocking issues... all of these will probably be fixed (when?) so... go ahead...

The biggest problem with platform as successful as the iOS one is that individual product are not important anymore... If you develop a product on other platforms but not on iOS one... then someone will just copy you project and in the end you just lost this market share... and people still enjoy the feature of your product on every platforms... (and you can really trust the power of some china dev to duplicate your product in no time...)

Then may be you will understand the
"Apple doesn't want to work with us, so we are going to conforom to apple in order to be usable by their products »
that some not so rich company must adopt... Competition it not what you want???


You want to win people over, build a prduct for the people. You want to control the industry, talk to Jobs...


Please let people out of your personal concern... lot of bad things happen in the name of people...
Your « behave like I want or I will not work with you » don’t please me either... it’s not professional

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RE[2]: Comment by Praxis
by dharknes on Wed 9th Jun 2010 02:16 in reply to "RE: Comment by Praxis"
dharknes Member since:
2009-03-01

ya but here is the messed up part. Remember the EU (using most recent examples) making forcing MS to provide choices? to make sure vendor lock in was dialed back a bit? Where the hell are they for this kind of stuff?


As a user how do I get to pick the ad network feeding me banner ads?

BUT i would love to see it all back fire and the computing industry say "If apple doesnt want to work with us, then we don't want to work with apple." BUT INSTEAD! we get this "Apple doesn't want to work with us, so we are going to conforom to apple in order to be usable by their products" and i get why they are doing it, apples portable products are sure market successes, but.... ugggg, i am not gonna get into it because it legitimately bothers me.


Gotta love the power of 75 million users. The industry will back the biggest horse in the race until either the horse dies or a bigger horse comes along.

I will say this. If they reject the .NET stuff that is powering Unity for the iPhone I swear to god I will put in so much effrot into the WinCE 7, WebOS and (yes i am saying it)Andoid market that the massive project I have been working on forever will NOT and NEVER WILL be tuned to fit what Apple wants.

You want to win people over, build a prduct for the people. You want to control the industry, talk to Jobs...


Jobs builds products for the people. He doesn't build products for nerds, geeks, developers, or techies. Industry control comes from the consumers who buy the products.

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