Linked by Kaj de Vos on Tue 8th Jun 2010 22:07 UTC
Syllable, AtheOS

The Syllable project is pleased to announce that the reports of its death have been greatly exaggerated, and that the new version 0.4 of Syllable Server has been released. This release focuses on maturing existing functionality, improving security, ongoing system restructuring, and making the system a suitable base for third-party package managers. Although the project admits it hasn't brought its unicorn factory online yet, extensive work was done on the nitty-gritty, so the full change log is quite long.

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RE[8]: Cool, I guess...
by Neolander on Thu 10th Jun 2010 08:16 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: Cool, I guess..."
Neolander
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Yes. There are two considerations for us here. One is that we've already been babbling every day for more than half a decade in our groupware system. That's among the contributors, people who make an effort for us. Other people have always bluntly refused to take part in this. I know it's a darknet, and there's a big difference between the internal and external views of the project, but we're not going to compromise the efficiency of our internal work communication for people who only want to lurk and refuse to make an effort.

The other consideration follows from this. It's much less efficient for us to publish to public places such as the web, so we need to optimise that to make it acceptable. For this, I develop my CMS as a strategic solution. Such a thing takes time, so it's another part of our development plan. Our web sites have been running on it for a few years now. It supports translated web sites and the translators can post their own articles, but it's not comfortable enough yet that they use that opportunity a lot. A year ago we added comprehensive RSS feeds, so together with all the SourceForge and Ohloh output the lurkers are already catered to quite well. We will continue to extend this. We're working on making the content of our groupware system available on the web (the web sites themselves are managed in it, but there's also chat, a calendar and check lists). This will be running on Syllable Server, so everything will come together there.

Well, that's a choice, but I think that you're being a bit harsh about the "lurkers" curious guys who just want to learn what the project is about and how it's doing without wanting further implication at the moment. They happen to be pretty handy when your software needs testing, and, what's even more important, they form the vast majority of your future customers so they should be handled with care ;)

A little post from times to times, written in a way that's comprehensible even for non-participants, maybe together with a screenshot which shows how great you're doing, does not cost much time and can be very well-perceived... Look at Gimp's or KDE's design blogs for examples...

Our fundamental approach to this is REBOL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REBOL
+ search results in the same vein, no matter which additional keywords are being used
= Fatal error. CRC checksum failed...

Edited 2010-06-10 08:23 UTC

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RE[9]: Cool, I guess...
by Kaj-de-Vos on Thu 10th Jun 2010 15:47 in reply to "RE[8]: Cool, I guess..."
Kaj-de-Vos Member since:
2010-06-09

Well, that's a choice, but I think that you're being a bit harsh about the "lurkers" curious guys who just want to learn what the project is about and how it's doing without wanting further implication at the moment. They happen to be pretty handy when your software needs testing, and, what's even more important, they form the vast majority of your future customers so they should be handled with care ;)

I think we agree, but what I'm trying to stress is the principle that things should come from both sides. I'm all for handling spectators with care, but they should also extend that courtesy to us. As you can see in this thread, that's unfortunately often not the case.

I know this doesn't go down well in a consumer society, but Syllable is a free product, so I don't think it's too much to ask for courtesy in exchange.

A little post from times to times, written in a way that's comprehensible even for non-participants, maybe together with a screenshot which shows how great you're doing, does not cost much time and can be very well-perceived... Look at Gimp's or KDE's design blogs for examples...

Again, I agree with the notion, but it's easy to say for someone else. Practice has taught over the years that somehow, most people seem to think that all those tasks should be on my plate, or in any case nobody picks them up if I don't do them. All in all, I have a murderous schedule in which to apply priorities. I could spend most of my time creating news items, and there are periods that I do, but if I do that all the time, little development will happen about which to report.

"Our fundamental approach to this is REBOL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REBOL
+ search results in the same vein, no matter which additional keywords are being used
= Fatal error. CRC checksum failed...
"
Not sure what you mean, but Wikipedia seems to have problems.

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RE[10]: Cool, I guess...
by Neolander on Thu 10th Jun 2010 16:30 in reply to "RE[9]: Cool, I guess..."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REBOL
+ search results in the same vein, no matter which additional keywords are being used
= Fatal error. CRC checksum failed...

Not sure what you mean, but Wikipedia seems to have problems.
"

What I meant was that Wikipedia could not explain what REBOL was, and that usual search engines like Google and Yahoo were not helpful either ;) Could you go more into details about what it is, except for a COBOL successor wannabe ?

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