Linked by Howard Fosdick on Tue 15th Jun 2010 21:06 UTC
Linux All of us who use computers create a problem we rarely consider. How do we dispose of them? This is no small concern. Estimates put the number of personal computers in use world-wide today at about one billion. The average lifespan of a personal computer is only two to five years. We can expect a tidal wave of computers ready for disposal shortly, and this number will only increase. And as if that isn't challenge enough, there are already several hundred million computers out-of-service, sitting in attics and basements and garages, awaiting disposal.
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OK...
by theTSF on Tue 15th Jun 2010 21:51 UTC
theTSF
Member since:
2005-09-27

All nice and theoretical...

However the reason we get New Computers isn't as much because the OS is out of date, but because we want a new computer that can do new and better things...

Sure Linux runs on Old PCs but it doesn't mean I want to run Linux on an Old PC. And browse the web like it was 1999. And where a lot of the changes now take more CPU.

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RE: OK...
by Kalessin on Tue 15th Jun 2010 22:34 in reply to "OK..."
Kalessin Member since:
2007-01-18

Personally, I usually get a new computer because I want a faster computer which can do more. I'm constantly pushing my computer. I put my own computers together and use Linux almost exclusively, so the whole planned obslesence thing doesn't apply to me at all, but what I have is never as fast as I'd like, and I definitely wouldn't want a computer coming out of this sort of program.

However, my older computers are frequently of little use to me, and they could be of use to someone else through a refurbisher program, so it could be of some value to find such a program and get into the hands of someone who would actually get some value out of them.

Just because you and I may have no interest in using older computers doeesn't mean that no one else will.

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RE: OK...
by noirpool on Tue 15th Jun 2010 23:45 in reply to "OK..."
noirpool Member since:
2009-09-09

All nice and theoretical...

However the reason we get New Computers isn't as much because the OS is out of date, but because we want a new computer that can do new and better things...

Sure Linux runs on Old PCs but it doesn't mean I want to run Linux on an Old PC. And browse the web like it was 1999. And where a lot of the changes now take more CPU.



Actually it's not the OS which allows you to do new and better things. It's the applications.

If the application is not available under your older OS you need to update your OS.

Now. Newer OS's do offer newer services, which is why new and better applications are being written for them. Mac OSX comes to mind.

However, and interesting side note is that in the Windows world, the newer OS always uses more resources to do the same amount of work.

When MS came out with Windows XP, Intel did an evaluation and found that you would need an increase in 200MHz to the processor speed to run applications at the same speed as Windows 2000.

When MS came out with Vista, Intel's analysis showed that a 20% increase in processor speed was necessary to offset the speed loss in upgrading to Vista from XP.

Intel decided to skip that upgrade and waited till Windows 7, not because it was faster.. (it's apparently not except in booting) but because their hardware costs had time to amortize and justify the replacement of their computers.

Over on the OSX side interestingly. The operating system only had a reduction in speed when Apple went from OSX 10.4 to 10.5, which they regained in 10.6 but of course, with 10.6 you now have to have an Intel processor.

Interesting note:

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3863646/Mozilla-D...

One thing I did not hear in the Mozilla thread discussing this problem was what happened to your old Mac. Over and over it was said to just get a new Mac but the old ones don't simply evaporate.. They get handed down.

The embodied energy in an electronic device is simply fantastic just in terms of oil and water.

It doesn't behoove us to simply throw the things away.

And there is also the issue of peripherals. Many, many printers, scanners, and video cards no longer work when you upgrade from XP. Most of them work perfectly in Linux.

And lastly, I'm browsing like it's 2010 in Ubuntu on a 2003 business class Dell which is pretty much only fit for XP. And I don't have the administration hassles that Windows entails.

For connection to the net and grabbing stuff, it's perfect. For real work, I'll stick to my brand new G5..

;^}=

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