Linked by David Adams on Fri 18th Jun 2010 19:17 UTC
Linux Linux Magazine has a profile of Daniel Fore and the Elementary project. Elementary is a Linux distro that's committed to a clean and simple user experience, but it's more than a distro - it's actually a multi-pronged effort to make improvements to the user experience for a whole ecosystem of components, including icons, a GTK theme, Midori improvements, Nautilus, and even Firefox. The work that elementary is doing isn't limited to their own distro, and some of their work is available in current, and perhaps future, Ubuntu releases. The results are really striking, and I think it's probably the handsomest Linux UI I've ever seen.
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Rip-offs are news worthy now?
by jtfolden on Sat 19th Jun 2010 04:32 UTC
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The most elementary fact here is that this distro is a dead-end. Copycats of other UI's don't really succeed. Surely people involved with Linux should have grasped this basic idea by now.

From a UI standpoint, when an interface mocks a more popular one to such a detailed degree then it actually causes MORE user frustration than less - reason being that when it LOOKS the same, people expect it to behave and respond the same as well. No Linux distro is going to behave the same as a Mac so aping the UI is simply damaging to the distro.

Sure, a few people who can't afford real Macs might run it but other than that... it's irrelevant.

Why not work on something truly useful, like creating an easy to use distro where upgrading apps is as simple as it is on Windows and Mac, as well? Linux is surely a decade past due on THAT simple request.

Edited 2010-06-19 04:37 UTC

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Neolander Member since:

Why not work on something truly useful, like creating an easy to use distro where upgrading apps is as simple as it is on Windows and Mac, as well? Linux is surely a decade past due on THAT simple request.

Oo How ? In my experience, the central repository system of Linux, to the contrary, made updates a much easier and smoother experience than on Windows and OSX...

Except, of course, if you're referring to some distros which just introduce buggy updates right away, instead of heavily testing them before moving them in repositories at the expense of not having newly released upstream updates available right away. But it's not the case on all. I've yet to see an update breaking the system on Debian stable (or even Testing) ^^

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More seriously, for people who don't like the make-your-own approach of Debian, my distro of choice, Pardus, never broke with an update, pretty much anything worked out of the box and continued to do so ever since. Even when upgrading to the newest 2009.2 release, which I did with extreme caution and backups because of my past experience with upgrading Windows and Linux to a new release, everything just worked perfectly fine. Its packages are of acceptable freshness when having the excellent stability in mind.

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My advice in that area is to use a rock-solid distribution and then put bleeding-edge repositories for some softwares only if you need it.

Edited 2010-06-19 04:58 UTC

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jtfolden Member since:

I've yet to see a simple, easy-to-use, universal solution to upgrading apps on Linux.

I'm talking about not having to upgrade your whole distro just to use the latest release of your favorite music player, etc...

This happens all the time.

"For example, if Ubuntu ships with 2.0.x, it will remain at 2.0.x for the entire 6-month release cycle, even if a later version gets released during this time. The Ubuntu team may apply important security fixes to 2.0.x, but any new features or non-security bugfixes will not be made available."

Sure there are "backports" but lots of apps never get this treatment.

This is not normally an issue on Windows or Mac OS X.

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Soulbender Member since:

Copycats of other UI's don't really succeed.

Really? Both Windows and Apple has succeeded despite being copies (or "influenced", if you like) of other UI's.

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jtfolden Member since:

Oh Really? What popular operating system did they copy from???

Certainly they have borrowed bits and pieces from here and there but nothing as wholesale and artistically bankrupt as we're seeing here.

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