Linked by David Adams on Fri 18th Jun 2010 19:17 UTC
Linux Linux Magazine has a profile of Daniel Fore and the Elementary project. Elementary is a Linux distro that's committed to a clean and simple user experience, but it's more than a distro - it's actually a multi-pronged effort to make improvements to the user experience for a whole ecosystem of components, including icons, a GTK theme, Midori improvements, Nautilus, and even Firefox. The work that elementary is doing isn't limited to their own distro, and some of their work is available in current, and perhaps future, Ubuntu releases. The results are really striking, and I think it's probably the handsomest Linux UI I've ever seen.
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RE: Rip-offs are news worthy now?
by Neolander on Sat 19th Jun 2010 04:54 UTC in reply to "Rip-offs are news worthy now?"
Neolander
Member since:
2010-03-08

Why not work on something truly useful, like creating an easy to use distro where upgrading apps is as simple as it is on Windows and Mac, as well? Linux is surely a decade past due on THAT simple request.

Oo How ? In my experience, the central repository system of Linux, to the contrary, made updates a much easier and smoother experience than on Windows and OSX...

Except, of course, if you're referring to some distros which just introduce buggy updates right away, instead of heavily testing them before moving them in repositories at the expense of not having newly released upstream updates available right away. But it's not the case on all. I've yet to see an update breaking the system on Debian stable (or even Testing) ^^

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More seriously, for people who don't like the make-your-own approach of Debian, my distro of choice, Pardus, never broke with an update, pretty much anything worked out of the box and continued to do so ever since. Even when upgrading to the newest 2009.2 release, which I did with extreme caution and backups because of my past experience with upgrading Windows and Linux to a new release, everything just worked perfectly fine. Its packages are of acceptable freshness when having the excellent stability in mind.

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My advice in that area is to use a rock-solid distribution and then put bleeding-edge repositories for some softwares only if you need it.

Edited 2010-06-19 04:58 UTC

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jtfolden Member since:
2005-08-12

I've yet to see a simple, easy-to-use, universal solution to upgrading apps on Linux.

I'm talking about not having to upgrade your whole distro just to use the latest release of your favorite music player, etc...

This happens all the time.

"For example, if Ubuntu ships with OpenOffice.org 2.0.x, it will remain at OpenOffice.org 2.0.x for the entire 6-month release cycle, even if a later version gets released during this time. The Ubuntu team may apply important security fixes to 2.0.x, but any new features or non-security bugfixes will not be made available."

Sure there are "backports" but lots of apps never get this treatment.

This is not normally an issue on Windows or Mac OS X.

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Oh but you *can* always have the latest releases, or even pre-releases, with either rolling-release distros like Arch, "testing" repositories, or downloading and installing a .deb/.rpm of the update.

I prefer not to do so when I don't need to, because I prefer the increased stability of a stable installed base. But you can do that. As an example, my old Ubuntu box had repositories for GIMP betas and Emesene nightlies. Others have one for Opera.

Just imagine one second, knowing the famous quality of Nvidia and ATI drivers on all platforms, that they were always updated to the latest release on Windows. Your computer would effectively be broken quite often.

Edited 2010-06-19 05:30 UTC

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tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

I've yet to see a simple, easy-to-use, universal solution to upgrading apps on Linux.

apt-get install [package] works on most Debian based distros.

Most other distros have their version of this command and/or a GUI version.

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chris_l Member since:
2010-02-14

I've yet to see a simple, easy-to-use, universal solution to upgrading apps on Linux.

There is no so such animal for *ANY* OS


I'm talking about not having to upgrade your whole distro just to use the latest release of your favorite music player, etc...

This happens all the time.

"For example, if Ubuntu ships with OpenOffice.org 2.0.x, it will remain at OpenOffice.org 2.0.x for the entire 6-month release cycle, even if a later version gets released during this time. The Ubuntu team may apply important security fixes to 2.0.x, but any new features or non-security bugfixes will not be made available."

Bullshit. Under Fedora for instance just run "yum install blah" as root using su from a terminal.

If you don't have what the program needs, yum will download and install it for you.


Sure there are "backports" but lots of apps never get this treatment.

This is not normally an issue on Windows or Mac OS X.


That's because Windows or Mac OS X will require you to run out and spend $$$$ on the latest version of the OS, or buy a freaking new computer.

Don't agree? Try running the latest versions of either VLC or Firefox on Windows 98se for instance. There's quite frankly no reason that I can see for either of these programs to *NOT* run under Win98se except for the fact the the developers wanted to force people to upgrade for no real reason.


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