Linked by David Adams on Fri 18th Jun 2010 19:17 UTC
Linux Linux Magazine has a profile of Daniel Fore and the Elementary project. Elementary is a Linux distro that's committed to a clean and simple user experience, but it's more than a distro - it's actually a multi-pronged effort to make improvements to the user experience for a whole ecosystem of components, including icons, a GTK theme, Midori improvements, Nautilus, and even Firefox. The work that elementary is doing isn't limited to their own distro, and some of their work is available in current, and perhaps future, Ubuntu releases. The results are really striking, and I think it's probably the handsomest Linux UI I've ever seen.
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nt_jerkface
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2009-08-26


Huh? There are numerous Linux distros in which one never needs to see a terminal, unlike the remedies required for OSX problems: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-20007737-263.html
I'm guessing that the average Mac chimp is going to have trouble with these terminal commands.


Mac chimp? You have to insulting and disingenuous?

Funny the last picture of a Linux developer's conference I saw sure contained a lot of Macbooks.

So why don't you name some of these distros that don't require using a CLI? Ubuntu (Linux for humans) not only requires a CLI at times but in fact dumped some people to the command line after a system update broke working video drivers. The OSX example you provided was just a case of a user being unable to delete files. That user was still able to use the system and get online to find help.

But maybe you think it is ok to expect users to do this for a printer install:

hey I just got my psc 1610 working for both scanning and printing (yay me!)...
first I did

sudo apt-get install hplip gtklp xpp hpijs python-qt3-doc libqt3-mt-mysql hplip-ppds

I don't know if you need all those packages they were all reccomended or suggested and I hate going back and adding things later... then I went to system->administration->printing > printer> add printer and in step 2 I selected psc 1600 from 'HP (HPLIP)' in the manufacturer drop down menu (as opposed to just 'HP' which did make a difference for me ) this got the printing part working.

Then xsane told me it didn't find any scanning devices so I installed a package called libsane-extras from synaptic and tried xsane again and it worked.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=151981

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tupp Member since:
2006-11-12

Mac chimp? You have to insulting and disingenuous?

You're right. I'm sorry. It was very insensitive of me to insult chimps by insinuating that they use Macs.

Here's a chimp deftly using a non-Apple touch screen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5nTVF3uits& Wow! He certainly works a lot faster than those Ipad owners that I see in the coffee houses!

I would also like to acknowledge that you are never insulting and disingenuous on this forum.


Funny the last picture of a Linux developer's conference I saw sure contained a lot of Macbooks.

Not that there is any point to your statement, but would you care to link that photo, or do we just have to take your word for it? If such a picture exists, I'm betting that number of Macbooks is in the minority.


Ubuntu (Linux for humans) not only requires a CLI at times but in fact dumped some people to the command line after a system update broke working video drivers.

Okay. Even if Ubuntu does require a CLI sometimes, it is just one distro out of hundreds! You can't characterize the whole of Linux from the problems of one distribution. Personally, I have never used Ubuntu that much because I think it is rather bloated.

A problem with X will sometimes give you a command line, although some distros go into a GUI control panel. At least one has a way to work through the problem.

I don't know how Windows and OSX respond to such a problem, but I guessing that one has to reboot into "safe" mode with Windows.

Mepis is a very solid, and, unless there is a serious problem, one should never need to use the CLI. Any distro based on Debian stable or based on Slackware (with a GUI installer and GUI control center) should be able to do everything without CLI use. There are probably quite a few others, but one would have to research.


The OSX example you provided was just a case of a user being unable to delete files. That user was still able to use the system and get online to find help.

I provided lots of OSX examples, and the ones that I linked barely even scratched the surface of the zillions contained in the official Apple "discussions" forum. There are tons of problem postings in this forum alone, astronomically more than I have seen on any Linux distro forum.


But maybe you think it is ok to expect users to do this for a printer install:

First of all, you have linked an Ubuntu post from March, 2006. That's very telling on the lack of current Linux problems. Couldn't you find anything more recent? All of my links to Apple problems were from the last two days.

Secondly, these days, almost every distro uses CUPS, which is the same printer set-up that OSX uses. So, if there is a missing driver for Linux, it is not the fault of Linux. Gladly, most printers work with Linux and CUPS.

Please find recent examples from one of the more solid Linux distros.

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cycoj Member since:
2007-11-04

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I'm guessing that the average Mac chimp is going to have trouble with these terminal commands.


Mac chimp? You have to insulting and disingenuous?

Funny the last picture of a Linux developer's conference I saw sure contained a lot of Macbooks.

So why don't you name some of these distros that don't require using a CLI? Ubuntu (Linux for humans) not only requires a CLI at times but in fact dumped some people to the command line after a system update broke working video drivers. The OSX example you provided was just a case of a user being unable to delete files. That user was still able to use the system and get online to find help.

But maybe you think it is ok to expect users to do this for a printer install:

hey I just got my psc 1610 working for both scanning and printing (yay me!)...
first I did

sudo apt-get install hplip gtklp xpp hpijs python-qt3-doc libqt3-mt-mysql hplip-ppds

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Apart from the fact that the link you gave is from 2006, posting CLI instructions on the net is almost always better than telling people to:
go to control panel -> printer settings -> options -> press "look for new printer" ...

That's one of the big advantages of the CLI, you can tell people exactly what to enter into the terminal (actually they can copy and paste it), and they can paste the error message if it didn't work. This is a lot better than all the trouble shooting and instructions I have seen about OS X or Windows. Unfortunately I now see more and more instructions for using the GUI tools to do something in Linux as well.

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