Linked by David Adams on Fri 18th Jun 2010 19:17 UTC
Linux Linux Magazine has a profile of Daniel Fore and the Elementary project. Elementary is a Linux distro that's committed to a clean and simple user experience, but it's more than a distro - it's actually a multi-pronged effort to make improvements to the user experience for a whole ecosystem of components, including icons, a GTK theme, Midori improvements, Nautilus, and even Firefox. The work that elementary is doing isn't limited to their own distro, and some of their work is available in current, and perhaps future, Ubuntu releases. The results are really striking, and I think it's probably the handsomest Linux UI I've ever seen.
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nt_jerkface
Member since:
2009-08-26


As such I find the notion of Linux requiring one to use CLI completely erroneous, if not even pure willful spreading of FUD. It just ain't true anymore and haven't been that for several years now.


Oh so the CLI isn't ever needed for installing devices? Fixing broken packages? Installing software outside the repository? Installing software upgrades on 2 year old releases?

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Oh so the CLI isn't ever needed for installing devices?

Ever? Well, you've never had to go to Windows Safe Mode after driver installation screwed up? Or never had OSX screw up permissions on system files? Nuh-uh, ever and never are such indefinite and precise words.

Yes, CLI is _sometimes_ needed, just as is Safe Mode for Windows etc. But usually? Often? No, atleast I haven't had to use CLI to install drivers for several years now.

Installing software outside the repository?

Double-click on the file, select "Install", and enter root password?

Installing software upgrades on 2 year old releases?

I have no idea how other distros do it, but all I had to do was click on the "Upgrade system" button when presented...

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26


Ever? Well, you've never had to go to Windows Safe Mode after driver installation screwed up? Or never had OSX screw up permissions on system files? Nuh-uh, ever and never are such indefinite and precise words.


Ok we're talking about Linux which you claimed doesn't require the CLI and I stated common cases where it does. Windows Safe Mode isn't a CLI and the system will fix itself with a driver restore. As for OSX I have seen it screw up file permissions twice and I fixed them without going to the command line. Furthermore in OSX that only happened after I was doing programming related activities. I sometimes help people with OSX and I've never been asked to solve that problem.


Double-click on the file, select "Install", and enter root password?

Explain this tutorial for a minor upgrade then:
http://jaxov.com/2009/09/install-upgrade-firefox-3-5-3-in-ubuntu-li...


I have no idea how other distros do it, but all I had to do was click on the "Upgrade system" button when presented...


That doesn't always work and users should not have to upgrade the system just to upgrade software, especially if the release is only 2 years old.
http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-install-openoffice-3.0.0-on-ubuntu...

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Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Oh so the CLI isn't ever needed for installing devices?

It's only needed for devices which are unsupported by the distro.

Fixing broken packages?

What do you mean ?

Installing software outside the repository?

No. Double-click on the .deb/.rpm, in most distros it just works. CLI is needed when you need to compile software, though, but it's a very advanced task.

Installing software upgrades on 2 year old releases?

What about click on the dist upgrade button in the graphical software updater ?

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26


What do you mean ?


The CLI is sometimes needed to fix broken dependencies.


No. Double-click on the .deb/.rpm, in most distros it just works. CLI is needed when you need to compile software, though, but it's a very advanced task.


Ugh. How many links do I have to show? There have been numerous cases where Ubuntu users had to use the command line to upgrade software.


What about click on the dist upgrade button in the graphical software updater ?


It doesn't always work and that's the problem. Why do I get the feeling that I read more about Linux than you?

http://www.jfplayhouse.com/2009/11/zdnet-ignores-ubuntu-910-upgrade...

Lunduke also went over this in his recent "Linux sucks" presentation at LinuxFestNorthwest.
http://lunduke.com/?p=1075

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chris_l Member since:
2010-02-14

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As such I find the notion of Linux requiring one to use CLI completely erroneous, if not even pure willful spreading of FUD. It just ain't true anymore and haven't been that for several years now.


Oh so the CLI isn't ever needed for installing devices? Fixing broken packages? Installing software outside the repository? Installing software upgrades on 2 year old releases?
"

No, it's not. It just makes things easier and faster for people who know what they are doing, which is a category someone like you will never fall into.

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