Linked by Kroc Camen on Tue 22nd Jun 2010 12:46 UTC
Amiga & AROS The fabled Amiga X1000 has been spotted in the wild, in the homeliest of places--Station X, a.k.a Bletchley Park. "The AmigaOne X1000 is a custom dual core PowerPC board with plenty of modern ports and I/O interfaces. It runs AmigaOS 4, and is supported by Hyperion, a partner in the project. The most interesting bit, though, is the use of an 500Mhz XCore co-processor, which the X1000's hardware designer describes as a descendant of the transputer - once the great hope of British silicon." With thanks to Jason McGint, 'Richard' and Pascal Papara for submissions.
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tylerdurden
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2009-03-17

Not really, by the time of its demise... the Amiga was a stagnant platform with little in the way of technological value proposition. Which is why it went the way of the dodo.

You're trying to turn this into an either/or proposition, which seems to me a rather arbitrary framing of the debate. Commodore's bad management was probably one of the reasons why Amiga ended up being a stagnant platform, and thus saying it was "technically superior" by the time of its demise is a bit of denial. It was very well a manner of the two: bad management and outdated technology which killed amiga.

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Raffaele Member since:
2005-11-12

Not really, by the time of its demise... the Amiga was a stagnant platform with little in the way of technological value proposition.


Well, it is a free statement you said, with no clue about the situation of Amiga in 1992-1996.

Amiga has its best 2 years after the demise of Commodore. And also in the same time there were well developed stunning Amiga hardware solutions from third party manufacturer.

It was of that period the creation of the centralized Aminet repository in Internet, the creation of the PPC based acceleration cards from Phase 5 (Now bPlan), the implenting of new graphic boards with their standard drivers that are still nowadays the core of AmigaOS graphic subsystem (Picasso96), that were so advanced that only in this period (2010) are "losing the pass" and need to be updated to a new subsystem.

Of the same period was the creation of AHI audio subsystem that is still valid today in 2010 (but must be upgraded to consider 3D sourround sound), and there was created also the first commercial low cost professional non linear video editing boards such as german expansion boards PAR (Personal Animation Recorder) and VLab Motion (At that time these solutions was priced just a fraction of expensive PC solutions like AVID).

http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/vlabmotion

http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/par

In that time there were created superb Web Browsers like AWeb, IBrowse, and Voyager, that could rival and surpass any Internet Explorer and any Netscape.
I can testimony it. I used these programs.

Think for example the fact that IBrowse in 1999 introduced for the first time on the market the "Tabbed Browsing" (that was experimented by "BookLink Technologies" InternetWorks in 1994)...

Think this fact. Ibrowse introduced "tabs" in surfing the web one year before Opera introduced same concept in 2000.

Amiga was a very forge of new solutions from 1992 to 1996, even if the hardware was aligned to those of standard PCs.
And then in three years (a very big amount of time in Computer Technology) from 1996 to 1999 the Amiga hardware begun to be considered obsolete due to the fact that there were no more development of new computers and new hardware and the PCs become very powerful and cheap due to the real advance of the global market in Computers.

But consider then that it was necessary three full years from 1996 to 1999 for Amiga to "lost its pass" with PC solutions, and this is due mainly to the fact that there were no real new Amiga hardware in sight and no manufacturer to produce new Amigas since 1992.

It was really a big amount of time to Amiga to loose almost the vaste mass of its market and its support developers and third party manufacturers. this is a proof of vitality, and strong resistence, not a proof of obsolescence.

The market was "forced" to leave the Amiga, because there were no new Amigas even while there it was still a strong request for Amiga hardware.

Unfortunately, without Commodore at its back (and no any other serious manufacturer firm to keep the platform on the market), then Amiga begin to starve, and the PC world begin to starting their rampage to multimedia, with the soundblasters 8 bit (and then 16bit) and the first 3D graphic acceleration cards (then integrated directly into main GPU expansion cards). And their cost begin to lower.

The remaining things to say about all this whole facts are just matter of history.

You're trying to turn this into an either/or proposition, which seems to me a rather arbitrary framing of the debate. Commodore's bad management was probably one of the reasons why Amiga ended up being a stagnant platform, and thus saying it was "technically superior" by the time of its demise is a bit of denial. It was very well a manner of the two: bad management and outdated technology which killed amiga.


Well, just consider this fact...

AGA Amiga Chipset must have had equipped A 3000 instead of A 4000, and A 4000 should have being equipped with AAA chipset that provided chunky pixel graphic modes just like PCs, and had facilities such as hardware decompression for modes like MPEG2...

Then you will see that there was no matter about Amiga hardware obsolecence. AAA had put Amiga again ahead of any PC solution of the same age, but also now you can complain Commodore mangament and make lots of new considerations about how people in charge at CBM performed their management... (Sic!)

That was not producing outadated hardware. There it seems that the real intent was really to VOLUNTUARILY DELETE all projects related to advanced technology and keep the status "as it was", without advancing.

And if this is not a direct fault from Commodore management, I don't know how to consider it either...

There is no excuses. They killed their own firm!

Simply the projects were canceled... the A 3000 was declassed to ECS, while A 4000 was declassed to AGA. And this fact makes you wonder why.

It is a matter of facts that that Mehdi Ali vide-director of Commodore was considered a "project killer" from all people Commodore development teams, and sure we could not trust a person who spended his weekends outside USA territories, to not be considered a regular citizen and so avoid taxes.

Fact was that Irving Gould as CEO of Commodore got a salary of 1 million dollars year in 1989/1992 (consider the value of dollar of that age) when commodore has a situation of only 10 millions dollars as active assets (no debts/credits, just assets from active renevues from Amiga sells).

Gould pretended to dirige the entire Commodore International from his villa in Bahamas Islands and twice a week, the managment of Commodore was forced to keep briefings meetings in Bahamas by flying from USA to Bahamas using the Commodore Corporate Jet. This fact lead a major expenses for the firm that were diverted from any possible development of new computers.

Absurd!

And in the end the demise of Commodore was very strange, because instead of reorganize and refund the firm (it happened 3 times before during Commodore History) the owners decided to go to voluntary dismiss under US bankruptcy chapter 13. Why?

There were strong suspects that this magician trick of dismission was done to avoid that US Treasure Department to indagate that real budgets in Commodore were "inflated".

Irving Gould declared he had invested in Commodore (Amiga projects, general expenses and purchasing of spere equipments and expensive new CPU prototypes) more than real, when instead all the main development of new projects in Commodore was stopped by Mehdi Ali under Irving Gould orders, and so Gould could got all the difference between the effective expenses and those declared to US Treasury as his own secret tax-free blackmail funds.

So now you can made yourself a different idea of what was Commodore and Amiga situation in that times.

Edited 2010-06-24 10:07 UTC

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bugjacobs Member since:
2009-01-03

Ive had a personal conspiracy theory that Amiga was NOT "supposed" to go on as a major platform .. And again reading about Irving Gould' and Mehdi Ali's antics my suspicions strengthens ..

And considering the final Amiga Incs antics, ("led" by Bill McEwen) this could lead even further the theory. McEwen was probably just going to sit on Amiga Inc assets to keep sure it never came back ..

So I again say, Amiga died due to lack of a owner who could drive the platform to its fullest .. And it would not have died on its technological merit if it had an owner who could manufacture new units ..

I think with some updates A1200s or compatibles would sell to this day ! Atleast to the main targets of Amiga , being demo artists , programming artists and such. "The scene" ..

I know I would buy atleast another one if the price was right .. !
I bought a NewOldStock A1200 last December actually. But the aging of the boards means I really will not invest in used or old stored hardware much longer .. WE NEED new CLASSIC hardware ! I hope NatAmi fulfills this need ... :-)

Edited 2010-06-24 23:45 UTC

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