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RE[5]: Comment by anevilyak
by jtfolden on Thu 24th Jun 2010 20:44
in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by anevilyak"
Well, there's actually a 3rd option where you could be prompted the first time such usage is actually requested with the option to keep being alerted each time or to "always allow" for that app. This still might not entirely cure the issue but it is then at least up to the user whether to completely trust an app or not and/or when to decide to trust it. The plus side to this, also, is that a malicious coder has no way of knowing when the client would "trust" the app - unlike now, knowing that if it makes it past the install it is home free.
I believe a similar scheme is already used on certain smartphone OS's for things such as Location Services.
Edited 2010-06-24 20:47 UTC
RE[5]: Comment by anevilyak
by mrhasbean on Thu 24th Jun 2010 22:32
in reply to "RE[4]: Comment by anevilyak"
That's certainly the case. What it does help you catch though is cases where an app is asking for rights it very obviously shouldn't need. For instance, suppose you go to install a game, and it asks for the right to make calls. Why would it possibly need that?
And the average user is supposed to understand exactly what's being asked and make the correct judgement call at install time? The same users who see a popup on their home PC telling them that they have a virus and need to install this you-beaut software to fix it, to later find they actually installed a trojan?
OK, I can see how that will work...
RE[6]: Comment by anevilyak
by lemur2 on Fri 25th Jun 2010 03:58
in reply to "RE[5]: Comment by anevilyak"
And the average user is supposed to understand exactly what's being asked and make the correct judgement call at install time? The same users who see a popup on their home PC telling them that they have a virus and need to install this you-beaut software to fix it, to later find they actually installed a trojan? OK, I can see how that will work...
I'm not entirely convinced that it is a good idea, but this is Google's answer to that sceanrio:
Google Remotely Deletes Android Apps
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2365651,00.asp
Google this week removed two applications from its Android Market, and exercised a feature that lets the company remotely delete the apps from a user's phones.
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The apps were found to be "intentionally misrepresenting their purpose in order to encourage user downloads," Rich Cannings, Android security lead, wrote in a blog post. "But they were not designed to be used maliciously, and did not have permission to access private data."
As a result, they were removed from the Android Market, but also remotely pulled them from the phones on which they were installed.
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"In cases where users may have installed a malicious application that poses a threat, we've also developed technologies and processes to remotely remove an installed application from devices," Cannings wrote. "If an application is removed in this way, users will receive a notification on their phone."
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The apps were found to be "intentionally misrepresenting their purpose in order to encourage user downloads," Rich Cannings, Android security lead, wrote in a blog post. "But they were not designed to be used maliciously, and did not have permission to access private data."
As a result, they were removed from the Android Market, but also remotely pulled them from the phones on which they were installed.
...
"In cases where users may have installed a malicious application that poses a threat, we've also developed technologies and processes to remotely remove an installed application from devices," Cannings wrote. "If an application is removed in this way, users will receive a notification on their phone."
Hmmmmm. I can see some good aspects about that, and some not-so-good.
Edited 2010-06-25 04:03 UTC




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That's certainly the case. What it does help you catch though is cases where an app is asking for rights it very obviously shouldn't need. For instance, suppose you go to install a game, and it asks for the right to make calls. Why would it possibly need that? That's the case it's designed to catch. An app later making malicious use of the capabilities you've allowed it to have is another animal entirely, and I don't see an easy way around that short of prompting every single time the app tries to do anything whatsoever, which would be a cure worse than the disease.