Linked by Kroc Camen on Tue 22nd Jun 2010 12:46 UTC
Amiga & AROS The fabled Amiga X1000 has been spotted in the wild, in the homeliest of places--Station X, a.k.a Bletchley Park. "The AmigaOne X1000 is a custom dual core PowerPC board with plenty of modern ports and I/O interfaces. It runs AmigaOS 4, and is supported by Hyperion, a partner in the project. The most interesting bit, though, is the use of an 500Mhz XCore co-processor, which the X1000's hardware designer describes as a descendant of the transputer - once the great hope of British silicon." With thanks to Jason McGint, 'Richard' and Pascal Papara for submissions.
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Amiga died because...
by leo_ on Fri 25th Jun 2010 07:35 UTC
leo_
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2007-09-04

- Amiga died because it took them 7 (!!!) years to come with a major upgrade to the chipset which was already outdated when released (AGA): even the sound was still 8bit...

- Amiga died because their userinterface still came with 2 colors icons, 2:1 ratio for most widgets,... Come on! In 1993 people weren't using TVs anymore with their computers, and most (PC/Macs) came with graphics adaptaters capable of displaying 800 x 600 x thousand colors at acceptable speed. The Amiga workbench was unusable in 640x480x8bit... Not talking about the flicker-free DBLPAL/DBLNTSC modes.

- Amiga died because they couldn't keep on improving (look at what Apple did with the iPhone since the first version...). Replacing Irvin with some better men wouldn't have changed anything with such weak products.

I understand Amigans don't plan on taking over the world. But then they should consider stop thinking their computer is ruling this world... Cause that what it sounds.

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RE: Amiga died because...
by Raffaele on Fri 25th Jun 2010 08:25 in reply to "Amiga died because..."
Raffaele Member since:
2005-11-12

- Amiga died because it took them 7 (!!!) years to come with a major upgrade to the chipset which was already outdated when released (AGA): even the sound was still 8bit...


Did you read the things other people said before making any assumption?

I just said that at CBM they had AGA long before since, but they had not used it until they came up with A4000.

Mr. Dave Haynie, one of the engineers in charge at development teams at Commodore, the man who designed 32bit autoconfiguring (plug and play) bus Zorro III for Amiga, that gave Amiga the possibility to mount 32 bit expansion cards far before Windows95 and PCI bus, is one of the few owners of a full functioning AGA Amiga 3000 (there are existing only 3 to 6 machines of AGA A3000).

Yes. AGA was ready far before 1992 but the project for Amiga 3000 AGA was canceled and Amiga3000 was declassed to Enhanced Chip Set.

Here is the photo of AA 3000. It is full functioning:

http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=23

It could even mount a DSP chip, for high quality sound, or digitizing, or even connecting directly Amiga to phone lines as an hardware modem, but this feature was never implemented.

Now you can see with your eyes that at Commodore could launch update machines, but insted they preferred to declass them or cancel other advanced products).


- Amiga died because their userinterface still came with 2 colors icons, 2:1 ratio for most widgets,... Come on! In 1993 people weren't using TVs anymore with their computers, and most (PC/Macs) came with graphics adaptaters capable of displaying 800 x 600 x thousand colors at acceptable speed.


So did Amiga. I had Amiga graphic adapter card and it costed barely the same as my father PC Vesa graphic Card with 2 megabyte of graphic RAM and mounted on his 486 DX2 66MHz...

In the first times of the nineties, Amiga was still a cheap machine compared to PCs, but sure hardware expansion cards were very expensive on any platform in those times.

The real boom of low cost and really high performance PCs was started in 1999 circa. It is a matter of facts.

But the vaste majority of Amiga users were using Amiga just for play games, so they have no any intention of upgrade their machines.
They used Amiga as a console.

We cant't blame these people for this fact.

Only core users and those who had discovered Amiga was a perfect all-purposse machine had upgraded it. And we were a minority in comparison to full 7 millions of Amiga users worldwide.

I think that real Amiga users were around of 500.000.


The Amiga workbench was unusable in 640x480x8bit...


And why you used it at 640x480x8???



In 1993 people weren't using TVs anymore with their computers, and most (PC/Macs) came with graphics adaptaters capable of displaying 800 x 600 x thousand colors at acceptable speed.


In 1993 people weren't using TV's anymore because they were forced to buy graphic cards and VGA monitors as imposed by the PC market.

In 2010 people got again using their computer connetcted to TVs because the TV sets are now LCD or Plasma based and capable of handling high refresh rates on bigger screens, and people who use new generation Amigas have discovered with pleasure that they can use even their big plasma/LCD connected to Amiga. So what?


Not talking about the flicker-free DBLPAL/DBLNTSC modes.


These screen modes were hybrid ones, and were required complex multisync monitors such as Amiga A1940, A1942 or Nec Multisync to show it.

http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=854

http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=854

These screenmodes were intended to avoid eye strain for those video professionals who used to design their video productions with low flicker on TV productions in DBL (Double)PAL and DBL (Double)NTSC before to porting it on normal PAL and NTSC.

Obviously they can't use VGA modes that were not compatible with TV modes to create and then show their video productions, so in order to make their work easier there were created these strange screen modes.

So don't jump to conclusions and saying that DBLPAL and DBLNTSC were unuseful screenmodes and the proof that Amigas were loosing their pass with PCs.

These screenmodes were created having in mind a precise intent.

And this intent was to create transitional screen modes for professionals who want to see their job on a decent refresh rate with no eye strain before to porting it to normal PAL and NTSC.

Does it makes sense for you now?

Amiga died because they couldn't keep on improving (look at what Apple did with the iPhone since the first version...). Replacing Irvin with some better men wouldn't have changed anything with such weak products.


It is not Irving Gould or replacing Irving Gould with other people.

But if the CEO of an industry prefer far better to fraud millions in taxes, insted of taking profit from the products that he produces, then his firm is nothing than doomed to starve and then die.

I understand Amigans don't plan on taking over the world. But then they should consider stop thinking their computer is ruling this world... Cause that what it sounds.


Who said that? It seems to me that it is just you stating gratuitously these words.

Calm down pal.

You are extending other people words beyond their normal meanings, and this is unfair.

Edited 2010-06-25 08:44 UTC

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RE: Amiga died because...
by bugjacobs on Sun 27th Jun 2010 02:00 in reply to "Amiga died because..."
bugjacobs Member since:
2009-01-03

Amiga DIED (somewhat) because COMMODORE LET IT DIE due to crap management. The Amiga community has kept the platform somewhat alive to THIS DAY, because they loved what it was and could be.

Time however killed it as a mainstream platform, I admit that, and what is left is trying to claw back a little of what we had and what is still not filled by other platforms.

Retro computing is one niche ..

And everybody should be happy to get alternatives to MS and Apple et al..

Edited 2010-06-27 02:10 UTC

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