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Maybe they should work on getting rid of X altogether instead... They might be able to come up with something that's able to handle vsync...
On a server, you don't need to run X at all. Indeed, Ubuntu Server Edition does not include X. Of course, that means you must do everything in text mode, which is not much fun if you're also going to use the machine for other things.
For many people, it would definitely be nice to have the ability to run X on a server without compromising security. Actually, I've wanted to do that myself. So I would say that this is very good news. Thus, a big "thank you" to the developers from me. Edited 2010-06-26 03:10 UTC
Why not run the X11 apps remotely, displaying them to your workstation?
It is extremely bad practice to run X11 itself on a server, and many servers don't have onboard video or have an extremely lowend card intended only for the initial installation.
It is able to handle it if you configure it corectly.
Xorg is one of the best piece of technology available in Linux. But it is like KDE, many of the best features are unknownes by the users. Only causing bugs and problems in the small set of features they know about, like displaying local content on your screen.
It is great when you have to use a window over the network (without any additional software), thin client mode, input periferal over the network, proxy, Xfbdev/KDrive/Xephir, X in X, multiple X server, per screen fine grained control and client over ssh.
It is also great when you think of all the developpers specifications, APIs and extensions that are not used as much as they could be.
Just saying: "Arg, I hate X because I use XRandR and it is not perfect on my unsuported, Linux unfriendly Laptop and I don't want to ever edit xorg.conf, so X suck" is just trolling.
This new feature sounds really good!
Has this been resolved yet?
Actually because you mentioned remoting as strong side of X, it is not really Xs strong side because the protocol is way too low level. Just have a comparison of X and RDP. RDP wipes Xs buttocks and have been for years. Xs remoting worked fine for simple terminals and the Athena widget set but thats it, once you move beyound that you have to rely on protocol compression hacks or entirely different remoting protocols like VNC to get a decent performance over an average network.
Replacing X with something new would be very welcomed by me. I'm a GUI toolkit and desktop application developer. X has the worst performance of the big three (OSX, Windows, X) - even a relatively new project like Haiku seems to have better graphics performance than X.
I hope one of the big players like IBM could start such a project. Many individual developers have tried, but those projects very quickly get discarded.
As for the "wonderful" remote/networking support built into X - I don't see that as relevant any more. That was designed for mono terminal displays of 20+ year ago. VNC, RDP and a host of others all manage the same thing (in color) with much better performance!
Apple had the right idea with OSX, by writing their own GUI - it's time the rest of the *nix world wakes up to that fact - X11 sucks in performance.
I run Linux at work and home, as my only development platform. Windows only lives in VM session on my systems. So please don't take this up as a rant/flamewar request - it's purely my observation of X in my day-to-day work. Edited 2010-06-26 09:12 UTC
X11 performance for me is fine with good drivers. Most people are really just pissed about slow drivers. X itself is just fine, performance-wise. If drivers properly accelerated all the things they should, I bet the complaints about X being slow would go away overnight.
Actually even the remoting of X is protocolwise lousy, while it scaled perfectly for a few lines widgets like the Athena widget, it falls flat on its face with complex modern UIs trafficwise. You need protocol hacks to get the dataload down.
People have been saying that X sucks for 10 years and I agree it might be the time to either let it rest or make a huge overhaul into X12 instead of doctoring around on X11.
OpenWF can be used. Syllable has also a GPL solution for end users. The only problem I see is the lack of standardized GPU acces method (like USB mass storage) Edited 2010-06-28 08:43 UTC
true he can't. But it is a example of one ways that X is inferior to any other window servers.
It is something the x devs have said would require re-architecting X in order to accomplish yet is something I definitely expect ( It drives me up the wall looking at videos with peoples faces torn down the middle).
And who are "they"? Where do these "they" people come from? Will you pay their salary?