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Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Based upon a recent email to the X.Org developers' mailing list, Canonical is nearing the point of one of their goals for Ubuntu 10.10 of a rootless X Server, or being able to run the X.Org Server without root privileges.
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RE: Big deal...
by Elv13 on Sat 26th Jun 2010 03:49 UTC in reply to "Big deal..."
Elv13
Member since:
2006-06-12

It is able to handle it if you configure it corectly.

Xorg is one of the best piece of technology available in Linux. But it is like KDE, many of the best features are unknownes by the users. Only causing bugs and problems in the small set of features they know about, like displaying local content on your screen.

It is great when you have to use a window over the network (without any additional software), thin client mode, input periferal over the network, proxy, Xfbdev/KDrive/Xephir, X in X, multiple X server, per screen fine grained control and client over ssh.

It is also great when you think of all the developpers specifications, APIs and extensions that are not used as much as they could be.

Just saying: "Arg, I hate X because I use XRandR and it is not perfect on my unsuported, Linux unfriendly Laptop and I don't want to ever edit xorg.conf, so X suck" is just trolling.

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RE[2]: Big deal...
by robojerk on Sat 26th Jun 2010 05:48 in reply to "RE: Big deal..."
robojerk Member since:
2006-01-10

This new feature sounds really good!

Has this been resolved yet?
http://www.osnews.com/story/21999/Editorial_X_Could_Learn_a_Lot_fro...

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RE[2]: Big deal...
by vivainio on Sat 26th Jun 2010 07:04 in reply to "RE: Big deal..."
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26


Xorg is one of the best piece of technology available in Linux.


Agreed.

But it is like KDE, many of the best features are unknownes by the users. Only causing bugs and problems in the small set of features they know about, like displaying local content on your screen.


Some would argue that showing local content on screen is what X should do, everything else is bloat. But I guess we don't need to care since the bloat is harmless.

KDE is an exaggerated comparison; KDE also does millions of things but struggles with the basics (pulseaudio, networkmanager), while the basics in X seem to be in a pretty good shape.

I have to say, though, that with Lucid and the latest nvidia driver, I'm very happy with X, using both laptop screen and monitor at the same time, as well as using projectors without issues.

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RE[3]: Big deal...
by Moochman on Sat 26th Jun 2010 08:09 in reply to "RE[2]: Big deal..."
Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

One of my main beefs with X--and I'm just assuming it's X's fault since I see it on Mac OS apps ported from Linux, as well as in the Linux desktop--are visual artifacts when redrawing parts of the screen. This to me is the one thing that screams "unprofessional" when compared to Mac and most modern Windows apps. Is anything being done/has anything been done recently to fix this?

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RE[2]: Big deal...
by Neolander on Sat 26th Jun 2010 13:59 in reply to "RE: Big deal..."
Neolander Member since:
2010-03-08

Xorg is one of the best piece of technology available in Linux.

As a former Linux user, I find this insulting for my previous OS of choice. There is great tech in the Linux world, sure : JACK, networkmanager, udev, APT... But X.org is *not* among them. It's slow, it kills all apps when it crashes, its standard widgets (Motif) haven't been updated for ages, leading to appearance of a bunch of incompatible toolkits... And let's not consider the time it took to get mouse hot-plugging working.

The sole thing which Xorg does very well is error messages. /var/log/Xorg.0.log is a great way to know what has happened when X has crashed. Again.

Edited 2010-06-26 14:04 UTC

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RE[3]: Big deal...
by Zifre on Sat 26th Jun 2010 14:12 in reply to "RE[2]: Big deal..."
Zifre Member since:
2009-10-04

I don't claim to love X (in fact I am programming my own window system similar to Wayland), basically all the things you said about it are wrong.

It's slow

Well, its architecture is not the greatest, but pretty much any computer can handle it fine. (By comparison, Windows Vista and 7 and very slow, even though their graphics architecture is fairly well designed.)

it kills all apps when it crashes

No, apps decide to kill themselves when they crash. And guess what, if Windows crashes, all your apps crash too!

its standard widgets (Motif) haven't been updated for ages

Motif isn't really the "standard widget toolkit". It was in old toolkit used many years ago that got replaced with much better things.

leading to appearance of a bunch of incompatible toolkits...

By a bunch, I think you really mean two. Gtk+ and Qt. However, they both cooperate pretty well, and can be themed to look the same very easily.

However, I do agree that we should only have one standard toolkit: Qt. Gtk+ is simply technologically inferior in every way. I would be very happy if GNOME was rewritten in Qt...

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RE[3]: Big deal...
by phoenix on Sat 26th Jun 2010 19:13 in reply to "RE[2]: Big deal..."
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

"Xorg is one of the best piece of technology available in Linux.

As a former Linux user, I find this insulting for my previous OS of choice. There is great tech in the Linux world, sure : JACK, networkmanager, udev, APT...
"

Well, out of that list, really only JACK and apt are noteworthy. The rest are just kludges on top of missing kernel features. Other OSes have better solutions that Linux is still catching up with.

But X.org is *not* among them.


X11 most definitely *is* one of the greatest pieces of OSS available for Unix-like systems.

It's slow,


Define slow.

it kills all apps when it crashes,


Yes, that is an issue.

its standard widgets (Motif) haven't been updated for ages,


Do any modern apps still use Motif?

leading to appearance of a bunch of incompatible toolkits...


And how is this any different from Windows or MacOS X??

And let's not consider the time it took to get mouse hot-plugging working.


Mouse hot-plugging in X11 has worked on non-Linux OSes for many many many years (FreeBSD has had moused (/dev/sysmouse) support since the early 3.x days, for example). Don't blame X11 for a shortcoming of Linux.

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RE[2]: Big deal...
by werpu on Sat 26th Jun 2010 19:23 in reply to "RE: Big deal..."
werpu Member since:
2006-01-18

Actually because you mentioned remoting as strong side of X, it is not really Xs strong side because the protocol is way too low level. Just have a comparison of X and RDP. RDP wipes Xs buttocks and have been for years. Xs remoting worked fine for simple terminals and the Athena widget set but thats it, once you move beyound that you have to rely on protocol compression hacks or entirely different remoting protocols like VNC to get a decent performance over an average network.

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RE[3]: Big deal...
by zlynx on Mon 28th Jun 2010 05:39 in reply to "RE[2]: Big deal..."
zlynx Member since:
2005-07-20

Err, I use X from a Linux server to my Macbook all the time on a 100 Mbit network. gvim, gedit, meld, wireshark and others all work great.

I never use compression hacks or VNC. Well, I have used VNC but not because it performs better than X.

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