Linked by lopisaur on Fri 25th Jun 2010 22:21 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Based upon a recent email to the X.Org developers' mailing list, Canonical is nearing the point of one of their goals for Ubuntu 10.10 of a rootless X Server, or being able to run the X.Org Server without root privileges.
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RE[5]: Big deal...
by phoenix on Sat 26th Jun 2010 19:16 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Big deal..."
phoenix
Member since:
2005-07-11

"Well, its architecture is not the greatest, but pretty much any computer can handle it fine. (By comparison, Windows Vista and 7 and very slow, even though their graphics architecture is fairly well designed.)

Try to play with it when some heavy calculation is running in the background, and see if it remains responsive ^^ Though you're right that "slow" is not the good word. In terms of performance, X is acceptably fast, except for demanding things like games where I think that crappy drivers and compositing are more likely to blame.
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Again, don't blame shortcomings of Linux on X11. Just because Linux has a horrible scheduler that can't handle background tasks without locking up the X interface layer, doesn't mean that's how it is for every OS that runs X11.

For example, FreeBSD can run a tonne of compilations and file transfers in the background, without affecting mouse/keyboard input in X.

There's nothing wrong with X11 ... just with some of the OSes that is runs on.

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RE[6]: Big deal...
by Zifre on Sat 26th Jun 2010 20:30 in reply to "RE[5]: Big deal..."
Zifre Member since:
2009-10-04

Really, there is no problem in Linux or X with interactivity.

Again, don't blame shortcomings of Linux on X11. Just because Linux has a horrible scheduler that can't handle background tasks without locking up the X interface layer, doesn't mean that's how it is for every OS that runs X11.

Don't make things up. The CFS scheduler is quite good and has no problems with interactivity on the desktop.

If you want to see a bad scheduler, look at Windows XP. I don't know if it has been improved in Vista and 7 though.

For example, FreeBSD can run a tonne of compilations and file transfers in the background, without affecting mouse/keyboard input in X.

Umm... so can Linux. I do it all the time.

There's nothing wrong with X11 ... just with some of the OSes that is runs on.

While there are some things I don't like about Linux, in general, we would be much better off if X were replaced than if Linux were replaced.

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RE[7]: Big deal...
by Savior on Sat 26th Jun 2010 22:09 in reply to "RE[6]: Big deal..."
Savior Member since:
2006-09-02

Don't make things up. The CFS scheduler is quite good and has no problems with interactivity on the desktop.

No, he is right. Compiling is OK, but just try to uncompress an 1G rar file or copy some files in the background and the GUI will come to a crawl. Not just the GUI, actually: CLI programs like vim are affected too. CFS is horrible for the desktop.

And I experience this both on my Core2Duo home computer and at my workplace on an 8-CPU beast, so the problem is definitely there.

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