Linked by David Adams on Tue 29th Jun 2010 17:39 UTC, submitted by waid0004
Windows An Italian Windows site called "Windowsette" has published some purported secret Microsoft documents outlining some design and strategy plans for Windows 8. The Microsoft Kitchen blog has provided some analysis of the documents. The documents appear genuine, and there's lots of interesting information there.
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Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Tue 29th Jun 2010 23:07 UTC
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2005-07-06

From what I see it appears that the appstore will be run by the OEM rather than Microsoft; a central repository isn't needed but rather infrastructure in the OS itself which allows one to add repositories so that multiple ones can exist - when you install Flash that you not only get it installed but the Adobe repository is added to the Windows update control panel.

As for Windows 8 it appears that Microsoft is trying to walk a very fine line between a consistent experience and giving the tools for OEM to customise and provide a unique experience for customers. On one hand you want to ensure that you don't have this massive difference in quality of computers loaded with Windows but at the same time you don't want there to be no difference that differentiation is down to price which squeezes profits for Microsoft and OEM's.

There is also an interesting move that the more Microsoft is componentising Windows under the winmin project. It will be interesting to see in the future as the cost of Windows can be reduced to only the components the OEM's want - that we'll see storage devices and so on using Windows at its core.

I think the interesting slides are those regarding power management because right now Windows as so far as battery life is far behind Mac OS X. Hopefully by the time Windows 8 is released that Microsoft has done something about the power management so that Windows is more on par with Mac OS X.

For those thinking that the satisfaction of Mac OS X has to do with legions of brain dead users, I suggest you look at this slide:

http://msftkitchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/All-Eyes-on-Apple...

It clearly lays out exactly what Apple has going for it and why Apple commands brand loyalty that Microsoft could only ever dream of. If Microsoft can recognise the 'vicious cycle' - so can you.

Edited 2010-06-29 23:13 UTC

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by Slambert666 on Wed 30th Jun 2010 04:56 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
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2008-10-30

For those thinking that the satisfaction of Mac OS X has to do with legions of brain dead users, I suggest you look at this slide:

http://msftkitchen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/All-Eyes-on-Apple...



Exactly why this is a fake. Only an Apple fanboy (or marketing agent) would make a slide like that.

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by akavel on Wed 30th Jun 2010 12:11 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
akavel Member since:
2009-10-27

Ah, so I'm not the only one highly suspicious that this can be a smart marketing action by Apple...

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by WorknMan on Wed 30th Jun 2010 07:13 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
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2005-11-13

From what I see it appears that the appstore will be run by the OEM rather than Microsoft; a central repository isn't needed but rather infrastructure in the OS itself which allows one to add repositories so that multiple ones can exist


So I guess it will be in fact like Linux. Bummer, I was hoping for only one repository, instead of 9,000 ;) Really, they should be DISCOURAGING OEMs from dicking with the default setup instead of encouraging it. These OEMs are shipping out PCs loaded down with craplets and other undesirables, and then end users end up blaming Microsoft/Windows for the negative consequences. "Oh gee, my computer is running really slow. Surely it's not because of the 30 trial applications the vendor installed that's running at startup. It must be Microsoft's fault ...'

Edited 2010-06-30 07:14 UTC

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RE[2]: Comment by kaiwai
by kaiwai on Wed 30th Jun 2010 09:23 in reply to "RE: Comment by kaiwai"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

So I guess it will be in fact like Linux. Bummer, I was hoping for only one repository, instead of 9,000 ;) Really, they should be DISCOURAGING OEMs from dicking with the default setup instead of encouraging it. These OEMs are shipping out PCs loaded down with craplets and other undesirables, and then end users end up blaming Microsoft/Windows for the negative consequences. "Oh gee, my computer is running really slow. Surely it's not because of the 30 trial applications the vendor installed that's running at startup. It must be Microsoft's fault ...'


If there was one repository then someone will have to manage it and if someone manages it then you're going to have issues arise where updates aren't accepted and propagated in a timely manner. I'd sooner Adobe run their own repository, Microsoft have their own, Apple and so on have their own repositories. They all take care of their own and all the responsibility is on the individual companies involved rather than pushing it off onto a third party whom they cam blame when things go wrong.

The crapware you see is the result of the race to the bottom - OEM's are forced to find new forms of revenue simply to get their margins semi-respectable. If you sold a computer with no crapware tomorrow you'd have idiots jumping onto this very forum whining that the computer is more expensive and how one could easily uninstall all the crapware if one wanted. There is a reason why on average a MacBook costs around $150 more than a comparable laptop being sold in Dick Smiths, because it doesn't have $100 worth of crapware subsidies keeping the price low.

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by darknexus on Wed 30th Jun 2010 09:00 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
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2008-07-15

From what I see it appears that the appstore will be run by the OEM rather than Microsoft; a central repository isn't needed but rather infrastructure in the OS itself which allows one to add repositories so that multiple ones can exist - when you install Flash that you not only get it installed but the Adobe repository is added to the Windows update control panel.


Noooooo! Please! OEMs already fcuk up our systems enough in Windows land, now companies like Adobe are going to be allowed to do it too? OEM repositories? Adobe/insert-company-x-here repositories, shoving unwanted software in my face every time I just want to update? Really, hasn't Microsoft learned their lesson with regards to OEMs? They can't be trusted to make a good experience! They fill their machines to the brim with crapware, the customer gets ticked, and Windows (not the OEM) gets blamed. If anything, control of such things should *never* be put into the hands of OEMs. The no crapware policy is definitely one thing Apple does right.

As for Windows 8 it appears that Microsoft is trying to walk a very fine line between a consistent experience and giving the tools for OEM to customise and provide a unique experience for customers. On one hand you want to ensure that you don't have this massive difference in quality of computers loaded with Windows but at the same time you don't want there to be no difference that differentiation is down to price which squeezes profits for Microsoft and OEM's.


Let's hope they don't end up giving too much control to the OEMs then, because if they do we're looking at massive UI incompatibilities and fragmented experience the likes of which are the stuff of nightmares.

I think the interesting slides are those regarding power management because right now Windows as so far as battery life is far behind Mac OS X.


That's very hardware dependent, as is the claim that OS X gets better battery life than Windows. On one hand I have a netbook, running Windows 7, that easily gets over 12 hours of battery life. I also have an older Macbook that gets maybe 5 hours on a good day running Snow Leopard. Now, this overlooks the hardware and battery capacity differences, but by this pure generalization I could make the opposite claim as you do. Such things can only be compared on an exactly equal playing field (equal hardware, equal performance and battery tests). Even under these equal conditions, driver differences can come into play and skew the results one way or another, so these types of things are often hard to measure accurately. Personally, I've always found Linux to get the absolute best battery life of the three major oses, but as with anything Linux, that assumes you or the OEM have configured the powersave options properly (not the easiest thing to do depending on the drivers your Linux install uses). In any case, battery life is too fiddly to make any pronouncement that one os does better than another.

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RE: Comment by kaiwai
by aliquis on Wed 30th Jun 2010 15:18 in reply to "Comment by kaiwai"
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2005-07-23

legions of brain dead users
But making things "just work" and everyone able to "realize their ideas" _IS_ what caters the brain dead users.

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