Linked by David Adams on Thu 1st Jul 2010 08:52 UTC
GNU, GPL, Open Source The HURD was meant to be the true kernel at the heart of the GNU operating system. The promise behind the HURD was revolutionary -- a set of daemons on top of a microkernel that was intended to surpass the performance of the monolithic kernels of traditional Unix systems and in doing so, give greater security, freedom and flexibility to the users -- but it has yet to come down to earth.
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wirespot
Member since:
2006-06-21

It would be ironic, you have to admit. Look at the history. By itself, the Linux kernel may have well ended as a student's obscure pet project. It was the GNU userland and the GPL license that combined with it to make it what it is today. And those were both Stallman's brain-children.

I dig what the man says. The public at large will always be just consummers. They take stuff and use it and spare no thought for what went into making it. We all do it, to some degree.

One day Linux will indeed become mainstream (some might say that day has arrived) and people will use it just like they use Windows or Macs, without even knowing what FOSS is and how it changed the world. For someone who was there during the 90's, it's extremely ironic.

There's examples in the world all around us. Think about all kinds of human rights that people fought and died for, and how we just take them for granted.

Edited 2010-07-01 14:16 UTC

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google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

if it wasn't for gnu, linux users would probably have a bsd userland.

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cb88 Member since:
2009-04-23

LOL... actually if it wasn't for Linux GNU could have relicensed BSD as the userland funny that Minix is growing far faster than HURD is.
HURD really has no real goals though...

Minux == secure and stablility through u-kernel
Linux == fast server OS
Solaris == fast server OS and Workstation OS
Windows == works where it counts catches the customer's eye
Haiku I think has great potential due to it's desktop/workstation focus... sylable too with its split design custom desktop kernel and Linux for thier server platform

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danieldk Member since:
2005-11-18

Actually, no:

"I think it's highly unlikely that we ever would have gone as strongly as we did without the GNU influence," says Bostic, looking back. "It was clearly something where they were pushing hard and we liked the idea."

Source: http://oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ch09.html

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Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

One day Linux will indeed become mainstream (some might say that day has arrived) and people will use it just like they use Windows or Macs, without even knowing what FOSS is and how it changed the world. For someone who was there during the 90's, it's extremely ironic.


Linux has become mainstream, however real irony here is people rarely use the GNU userland tools despite often using Linux on a daily basis.

Linux is on our phone, in our routers and on our sat-navs - but each and every time users Linux is buried so deep behind layers of corporate developed -and usually propitiatory- userland tools that it's easy to forget just how widespread the OS is.

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google_ninja Member since:
2006-02-05

i probably use grep, find, ls, cp, rm (and curl, but not sure if thats gnu or not) on a daily basis... and thats it. i would be curious if IT guys use more of the tools, because as a dev, I would rather just write a quick script or one liner in a more general purpose scripting language (like ruby), then stuff like awk, groff, etc.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

The world would have just used FreeBSD.

This is really what bothers GPL fanatics about FreeBSD. Its existence disrupts their theme of Linux being The Chosen One (cue Star Wars theme).

Computing would actually be farther ahead if FreeBSD became the de facto free Unix due to it having a sane development structure and no holy war against binary drivers.

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

One day Linux will indeed become mainstream (some might say that day has arrived) and people will use it just like they use Windows or Macs, without even knowing what FOSS is and how it changed the world. For someone who was there during the 90's, it's extremely ironic.


I remember reading in 1999 about how Linux was going to take over and destroy Apple.

Windows Server was supposed to die as well.

Linux on the desktop has not only failed but it has already missed key opportunities to take significant share (instability of Win 9x and early XP, 9x to XP transition, security issues with XP, 64 bit transition, Vista released as a beta).

I believe the main cause of failure for desktop Linux has been the GPL and the ideology that goes with it. Linux has been a middle finger to proprietary hardware and software companies and that is not how you build alliances against powerful corporations.

Now go tell your bearded hippie leader how awesome he is for declaring war against proprietary companies. Make sure you don't include any images since he only uses a text based internet.

All hail Stallman and the people's 1% operating system.

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