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Reason Linux lives:
by Kebabbert on Thu 1st Jul 2010 23:16 UTC
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2007-07-27

Reason Linux lives is that you can found big companies around Linux and become a multi billionaire. It is not possible to do with FreeBSD or OpenSolaris. Someone owns them.

But with Linux, no one owns the distros. If Linus T would release an official distro, then RedHat and SuSE would die. Everyone would only use Linus distro. Linus could make changes that only benefitted his distros and fought RedHat. You can not run a business on a non Linus distro. Large IT-companies would quickly loose interest in RedHat and SuSE and Ubuntu, etc.

Linux allows you to become rich. It is like gold rush, no one owns the gold. Just grab and sell whatever you can. No one will stop you. It is excellent business idea: someone else develops and does all the hard work, you just bundle and sell it. Easy peasy. Get rich. Anybody can do it. Linux is not owned by someone (FreeBSD and OpenSolaris is owned).

If you try to found a large company around FreeBSD, then you will have problems. Someone else owns it. You would be at the mercy of Sun or Oracle if you tried to capitalize on OpenSolaris. Maybe even enemies.

Look at Blizzard and StarCraft 1. In Korea it is a huge e-sport. The top stars earns millions of USD. Kespa, the Korean E-sport organisation owns and controls everything related to SC1. Broadcasted TV matches, etc. Now, SC2 is arriving. Blizzard wants a piece of the cake, and Kespa has no longer monopoly. Blizzard has cut the contract with Kespa. SC1 was "free" - Blizzard did not care if someone else earned money on SC1. So SC1 could become big. Now SC2 is coming, and Kespa will not have the interest in making SC2 big because they can not earn big money anymore. Kespa has forbidden all SC1 players to play SC2. The creator of SC2, Blizzard, takes all profit.

If Linus T took all profit then everyone would loose interest in Linux. There are lots of free hobby OSes out there. The thing is, Linux can make you rich, no one owns it. Tie your new OS or tech too hard to you, and no one will use it.

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by tuma324 on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 03:03 in reply to "Reason Linux lives:"
RE[2]: Reason Linux lives:
by Elv13 on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 04:56 in reply to "RE: Reason Linux lives:"
Elv13 Member since:
2006-06-12

Almost nobody pay for Desktop OS anyway (mostly pirated or bundled with new hardware), it is not a really good market to target. It is an "ok" support market if you live in a 2 million + city, but otherwise you will go bankrupt. The real market for Linux is enterprise, and most business know that fact really well.

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RE: Reason Linux lives:
by nt_jerkface on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 04:53 in reply to "Reason Linux lives:"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26


It is excellent business idea: someone else develops and does all the hard work, you just bundle and sell it. Easy peasy. Get rich.


Tell that to the graveyard of Linux businesses like Linspire, Corel Linux and VA Software. Canonical would be in that graveyard as well if it wasn't funded with slush funds from the tech boom.

The problem with investing in Linux is that your competitors can take your R&D without paying a cent. Novell and Red Hat make money from Linux by selling support, not the actual software. They are not getting rich and Novell in fact has been privately put up for sale.


If you try to found a large company around FreeBSD, then you will have problems. Someone else owns it.


Red Hat could just as easily sell RedBSD.


Blizzard did not care if someone else earned money on SC1. So SC1 could become big.

What are you talking about? Starcraft became popular because it was a great game. Blizzard still sells it directly from their website.
http://us.blizzard.com/store/browse.xml?f=c:1,f:3


The thing is, Linux can make you rich, no one owns it.


Proprietary software can also make you rich and you don't have to give out your R&D. Getting rich by software is difficult and even moreso if your competitor can just take your innovative additions and stamp their corporate logo on them.

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RE[2]: Reason Linux lives:
by Kebabbert on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 15:03 in reply to "RE: Reason Linux lives:"
Kebabbert Member since:
2007-07-27

The problem with investing in Linux is that your competitors can take your R&D without paying a cent. Novell and Red Hat make money from Linux by selling support, not the actual software. They are not getting rich and Novell in fact has been privately put up for sale.

"they are not getting rich"? The RedHat founders became multi billionaries when RedHat went through IPO. I saw a list of all new dollar multi billionaires just because of Linux a couple of years ago, in a magazine.

Regarding Novell, well, Novell had that old Netware and no new OS. They just embraced Linux and put out a Linux distro which costed very little time and R&D, in comparison to develop a whole new OS


Red Hat could just as easily sell RedBSD.

RedBSD is based on FreeBSD. RedHat can not sell FreeBSD as I wrote, earlier.


What are you talking about? Starcraft became popular because it was a great game. Blizzard still sells it directly from their website.

SC became big because of Korea, where it is bigger than Soccer or Hockey or Baseball. And it became big in Korea, because of Kespa organization. Kespa started tournaments and TV shows and got all income from them. Now Blizzard is trying to get a piece of the cake with SC2, and Kespa will not favour SC2 anymore.

What I am trying to say, is that SC1 was free to earn money from. So Kespa did that. SC2 is not free to earn money from anymore, the creator Blizzard is there. So Kespa loose interest in SC2.

Just like companies loose interest in Linux, if Linus T would be there and get all income. Where the big money is, everyone follows. Espcially if it is free and no one claims ownership.


Proprietary software can also make you rich and you don't have to give out your R&D. Getting rich by software is difficult and even moreso if your competitor can just take your innovative additions and stamp their corporate logo on them.

That is my point. Someone else spends R&D on Linux, and you just grab it and repackage it and sell it. Splendid business idea. Let someone else develop it, and because it is free, you can grab it and sell it. It is like Klondyke. Just grab it and sell it. Noone will stop you.

The reason Linux became big is that you can get rich on founding a company around Linux kernel and create a distro and sell it. Noone would buy another FreeBSD distro or OpenSolaris distro - there are official distros. Why buy a copy, instead of the original?

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RE: Reason Linux lives:
by sorpigal on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 11:06 in reply to "Reason Linux lives:"
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2005-11-02

Reason Linux lives is that you can found big companies around Linux and become a multi billionaire. It is not possible to do with FreeBSD or OpenSolaris. Someone owns them.

I stopped reading here. You have no clue what you're talking about. Who owns FreeBSD?

Please never post again.

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RE[2]: Reason Linux lives:
by Kebabbert on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 14:41 in reply to "RE: Reason Linux lives:"
Kebabbert Member since:
2007-07-27

"Reason Linux lives is that you can found big companies around Linux and become a multi billionaire. It is not possible to do with FreeBSD or OpenSolaris. Someone owns them.

I stopped reading here. You have no clue what you're talking about. Who owns FreeBSD?
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I wrote wrong, I didnt mean that someone owns FreeBSD, but I meant that it is not possible to just claim ownership and do whatever you want with it, for instance close the code. There is one official distro, you can not just found a company and sell it further. Why would anyone buy your copy when there is an official distro, the original?

You must take the raw material and add some value, then you can sell it. Just like Linux kernel and the distros. You can not just sell the raw material as it is.

Please never post again.

Wow. Fast judger and drawing hastily conclusions, right? Normally, if someone writes something weird, you ask for a confirmation "are you really serious with this???", and then you continue discussion. But not you. If someone spells something wrong or posting late at night (as I did, check the time stamp on my post), then "never post here again". I am glad that you are not a moderator.

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RE: Reason Linux lives:
by BluenoseJake on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 11:21 in reply to "Reason Linux lives:"
BluenoseJake Member since:
2005-08-11

Nobody owns FreeBSD. The rest of your post is nonsense based on that fallacy.

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RE[2]: Reason Linux lives:
by tylerdurden on Sat 3rd Jul 2010 22:11 in reply to "RE: Reason Linux lives:"
tylerdurden Member since:
2009-03-17

... well technically, there is a FreeBSD foundation which technically "own" Its trademark etc.

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