Linked by vodoomoth on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 09:03 UTC
Opera Software Opera 10.60 has been released July 1 for Mac OS X and is available for download. The features highlighted on the changelogs page are: layout engine (codename 'Presto'), HTML5 with support for offline web applications, WebM, which has been available in Opera (in a special build) on the very day of the announcement at the Google I/O conference, web workers for running scripts in the background without impeding the browsing experience, and geolocation. Version 10.60 is also available for Windows and Linux/BSD.
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RE: Hmmm
by vodoomoth on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 13:09 UTC in reply to "Hmmm"
vodoomoth
Member since:
2010-03-30

Just installed the latest one for OpenSuse, and I already see some slowdowns in both the UI and loading pages, especially with Flash. Oh, they still don't have Flashblock available as addon ... just the CSS old hack ... BTW, it looks like all browsers are going to look the same pretty soon - Opera, Chrome, Firefox - tabs on top, autocompletion of the URLs in the omnibox, all in one button for options, combined button for stop/reload ;)

I didn't know of that CSS hack but I don't fiddle with config files, CSS or user javascript. There's no need for a Flashblock addon (I don't know this addon, I guess it's supposed to block Flash) because there's an option to deactivate plugins in the Preferences and Flash is the only plugin I've ever needed. Should I need a plugin to play music scores but keep Flash out, I'll read the help doc. IIRC, there's an enhancement/user request for disabling plugins individually.

AdBlock or GreaseMonkey are not needed either, the features have been there for years. Even a Firebug equivalent is there. Moreover, I don't care whether a functionality is provided via an addon, plugin, extension, toolbar or integration. Are there people who do for anything other than IE?

I'd rather have FF save and load what Opera calls "sessions" than depend on an addon to bring a browser feature. If it's part of my daily browsing, it should be in the browser (looking at FF) and if it is not, but is related to the web, I like when it's there and I can use it should the not-so-rare need present itself (looking at Opera, for torrents, IRC, emails, etc.) but that's just me. Diversity is so great!

I link to releases because I use and support Opera and because many of the features that make my typical browsing experience (tabs, sessions, that omnibox thing, pswd manager, form filling, maybe even that combined stop/reload, mouseless browsing, viewing previous pages without losing text in the current page, popup blocking, duplicating a page with its whole history) come from them, not to blow wind on the "browser war 2.0" (dixit Kroc) fire. Figures speak for themselves as to the [lack of] popularity of Opera desktop so no illusions here. Crossfeeding (if it's an English word) is at work as features found elsewhere have been imported too, or renamed, which I hated.

For those who care to read it, the introduction of features is documented at http://www.opera.com/docs/history/index.dml and the list of pioneered features will surprise some. Examples? Popup blocking appeared in Opera 3.00 in december 1997. Raise your hand if you browse without pop-up windows blocking. Skins were in as early as 2001 and allow changing all icons and buttons or making round boxes square and vice-versa!

Rationalizing but I'm fond of Opera, that's all.

Just checked. Chrome on Mac doesn't have a stop button and Firefox 3.6.6 has separate buttons for stop and reload. Are you sure? I tried adding a stop button in Chrome and very quickly got tired of searching.

Yes, they'll look alike soon although I wouldn't be surprised if a skin that makes Opera look exactly like Chrome or FF existed.

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RE[2]: Hmmm
by WereCatf on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 13:21 in reply to "RE: Hmmm"
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

I didn't know of that CSS hack but I don't fiddle with config files, CSS or user javascript. There's no need for a Flashblock addon (I don't know this addon, I guess it's supposed to block Flash) because there's an option to deactivate plugins in the Preferences and Flash is the only plugin I've ever needed.

Disabling Flash plugin completely is not usually an option for most people as there are some sites and places where Flash is needed. Flash Block works by replacing Flash content on websites with a simple button that you click and only then the browser loads the Flash content and plays it. The benefits? Well, it reduces the amount of data downloaded and it also speeds up loading of websites while still requiring only one extra click if the Flash content is really needed, and the extra security it grants by not playing all Flash content by default. (Loads of malware and viruses spread via Flash ads)

The CSS hack hides Flash content or provides a similar button you can click to display the content, but since it's a CSS hack it works only after the content has already been downloaded. This results in slower browsing experience when compared to an actual plugin/addon as all the Flash content is still loaded and the Flash plugin initialized.

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RE[3]: Hmmm
by lucke on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 13:40 in reply to "RE[2]: Hmmm"
lucke Member since:
2007-01-07

This new "load plugins on demand" works just like flashblock, as far as I can say. You click on a placeholder image and you have your flash content running.

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RE[3]: Hmmm
by kvarbanov on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 13:43 in reply to "RE[2]: Hmmm"
kvarbanov Member since:
2008-06-16

That's exactly what I meant. Being used to that useful addon with FF and Chrome, I can't imagine working without it, especially on most of the sites, where everyone feels obliged to share Flash Ads for some new product, which is OK, but if I have an option not to see it or download any content at all. FF's plugin does better for a number of reasons, but that's not the point. I'm not being too critical on Opera, it's just I can't work or use their software efficiently. I don't dismiss their inventions like pop-ups, etc, etc. To me, it looks like versions after 10.10 are somewhat unstable at different setup/systems and maintaining a multi-OS env. doesn't permit a lot of time in debugging, hence I'll simply stay with FF (beta 4 soon) and Chrome, but I wanted to try Opera again - 9 and 10 releases were pretty good.

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RE[2]: Hmmm
by yoursecretninja on Sat 3rd Jul 2010 14:29 in reply to "RE: Hmmm"
yoursecretninja Member since:
2006-01-02

Just checked. Chrome on Mac doesn't have a stop button and Firefox 3.6.6 has separate buttons for stop and reload.

Chrome on Mac does indeed have a stop button... it works similar to Safari. When a page is loading, the "go" button (which looks like a play button since the icon is a forward arrow) next to the address bar turns into a "stop button" (which looks like a close button since the icon is an x).

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RE[3]: Hmmm
by vodoomoth on Sun 4th Jul 2010 03:38 in reply to "RE[2]: Hmmm"
vodoomoth Member since:
2010-03-30

My mistake.

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