Linked by David Adams on Thu 1st Jul 2010 08:52 UTC
GNU, GPL, Open Source The HURD was meant to be the true kernel at the heart of the GNU operating system. The promise behind the HURD was revolutionary -- a set of daemons on top of a microkernel that was intended to surpass the performance of the monolithic kernels of traditional Unix systems and in doing so, give greater security, freedom and flexibility to the users -- but it has yet to come down to earth.
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RE[2]: Reason Linux lives:
by Kebabbert on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 14:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Reason Linux lives:"
Kebabbert
Member since:
2007-07-27

"Reason Linux lives is that you can found big companies around Linux and become a multi billionaire. It is not possible to do with FreeBSD or OpenSolaris. Someone owns them.

I stopped reading here. You have no clue what you're talking about. Who owns FreeBSD?
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I wrote wrong, I didnt mean that someone owns FreeBSD, but I meant that it is not possible to just claim ownership and do whatever you want with it, for instance close the code. There is one official distro, you can not just found a company and sell it further. Why would anyone buy your copy when there is an official distro, the original?

You must take the raw material and add some value, then you can sell it. Just like Linux kernel and the distros. You can not just sell the raw material as it is.

Please never post again.

Wow. Fast judger and drawing hastily conclusions, right? Normally, if someone writes something weird, you ask for a confirmation "are you really serious with this???", and then you continue discussion. But not you. If someone spells something wrong or posting late at night (as I did, check the time stamp on my post), then "never post here again". I am glad that you are not a moderator.

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RE[3]: Reason Linux lives:
by spiderman on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 15:33 in reply to "RE[2]: Reason Linux lives:"
spiderman Member since:
2008-10-23

I meant that it is not possible to just claim ownership and do whatever you want with it, for instance close the code. There is one official distro, you can not just found a company and sell it further. Why would anyone buy your copy when there is an official distro, the original?

I think that is precisely what Apple did with Mac OS X.

Wow. Fast judger and drawing hastily conclusions, right? Normally, if someone writes something weird, you ask for a confirmation "are you really serious with this???", and then you continue discussion. But not you. If someone spells something wrong or posting late at night (as I did, check the time stamp on my post), then "never post here again". I am glad that you are not a moderator.

I agree, asking for someone to never post again is totally uncivilized. The guy has no manner. He is probably very young but that does not excuse such a language.

Edited 2010-07-02 15:34 UTC

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RE[4]: Reason Linux lives:
by sorpigal on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 17:03 in reply to "RE[3]: Reason Linux lives:"
sorpigal Member since:
2005-11-02

I agree, asking for someone to never post again is totally uncivilized. The guy has no manner.

Did you see where I said "please"? That's an indication of *good* manners. It certainly is far superior to the kinds of vitriolic name calling I *wanted* to engage in when I first read the OPs post.

He is probably very young

This kind of anti-youth bigotry is something that would be amusing if it isn't so frightening (and so wide-spread). "I don't like it, so it must be caused by the poster being too young to know better. One day he will grow up and be just like me!" -- grow up yourself. I didn't suggest the the OP was too young to know what he was talking about, because one's age is usually irrelevant.

Comparing ages is just a pissing contest. Would you like to compare other parts of our anatomies too? What would it prove if yours really is longer? It wouldn't make the OP any less wrong.

I know! Let's compare user IDs. Mine is lower and that means I'm older and you're younger, and thus you're automatically wrong. If you think that's an unfair way to dismiss what you say, then we agree on that at least.

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RE[3]: Reason Linux lives:
by sorpigal on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 16:52 in reply to "RE[2]: Reason Linux lives:"
sorpigal Member since:
2005-11-02

Wow. Fast judger and drawing hastily conclusions, right? Normally, if someone writes something weird, you ask for a confirmation "are you really serious with this???", and then you continue discussion. But not you. If someone spells something wrong or posting late at night (as I did, check the time stamp on my post), then "never post here again".

If you had made only a typo or one factual error I'd simply post a correction or clarification. You had numerous wholly fallacious assertions which are either mistakes indicating a high level of cluelessness, in which case you should really not be talking on the subject, or deliberate flamebait. Either way I don't care to attempt a point by point rebuttal.
I am glad that you are not a moderator.

You wouldn't be any worse off if I were. I don't let idiocy color my fair application of the rules. You have not broken any rules. I didn't even vote your comment down, I replied instead. I think that's about as fair as you could hope to expect.

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RE[3]: Reason Linux lives:
by dbolgheroni on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 19:25 in reply to "RE[2]: Reason Linux lives:"
dbolgheroni Member since:
2007-01-18

I wrote wrong, I didnt mean that someone owns FreeBSD, but I meant that it is not possible to just claim ownership and do whatever you want with it, for instance close the code. There is one official distro, you can not just found a company and sell it further. Why would anyone buy your copy when there is an official distro, the original?

You must take the raw material and add some value, then you can sell it. Just like Linux kernel and the distros. You can not just sell the raw material as it is.


Take a few minutes to read about BSD license. So, next time, you'll think twice before start spreading BS.

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RE[3]: Reason Linux lives:
by phoenix on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 23:56 in reply to "RE[2]: Reason Linux lives:"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

I wrote wrong, I didnt mean that someone owns FreeBSD, but I meant that it is not possible to just claim ownership and do whatever you want with it, for instance close the code.


Tell that to Juniper, who took FreeBSD 4.x, tweaked it, added to it, rename it JunOS, and stuck it into their routers as an alternative to Cicso routers. No customers see that source code. (Note: Juniper has fed back a lot of patches to the FreeBSD source tree.)

Tell that to IronPort, who took FreeBSD, tweaked it, added to it, and stuck it into their e-mail scanning gateways. Customers never see that source code. (Don't know if they've reciprocated with patches.)

Lots of people buy Juniper routers or IronPort boxes instead of buying hardware themselves and fiddling with FreeBSD on them. Why buy "the copy"? Because there's a lot of value-add.

However, there's also lots of people who just buy off-the-shelf hardware, stick FreeBSD on it, and tweak it themselves to save money (Juniper/IronPort boxes aren't cheap).

IOW, there's a market for both. Claiming it's impossible is just naive.

There is one official distro, you can not just found a company and sell it further. Why would anyone buy your copy when there is an official distro, the original?


See above.

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RE[3]: Reason Linux lives:
by Soulbender on Sat 3rd Jul 2010 06:48 in reply to "RE[2]: Reason Linux lives:"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

You must take the raw material and add some value, then you can sell it. Just like Linux kernel and the distros. You can not just sell the raw material as it is.


So what you're saying is that they're actually exactly the same since you need to add value to both BSD and Linux.

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