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GNU, GPL, Open Source The HURD was meant to be the true kernel at the heart of the GNU operating system. The promise behind the HURD was revolutionary -- a set of daemons on top of a microkernel that was intended to surpass the performance of the monolithic kernels of traditional Unix systems and in doing so, give greater security, freedom and flexibility to the users -- but it has yet to come down to earth.
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RE[3]: Reason Linux lives:
by nt_jerkface on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 16:22 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Reason Linux lives:"
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"they are not getting rich"? The RedHat founders became multi billionaries when RedHat went through IPO. I saw a list of all new dollar multi billionaires just because of Linux a couple of years ago, in a magazine.


The founders got rich from the IPO but then a lot of founders in the tech boom. As a company they are not getting rich. Adobe and Rockstar games have better financials.

This issue was actually covered recently in computerworld:
http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?blogid=14&...


RedBSD is based on FreeBSD. RedHat can not sell FreeBSD as I wrote, earlier.


Why couldn't they sell their own modified version of FreeBSD? Maybe you should read about the basics of open source licenses before commenting here.


Splendid business idea. Let someone else develop it, and because it is free, you can grab it and sell it. It is like Klondyke. Just grab it and sell it. Noone will stop you.


So what about the company that invests the R&D? Are they just suckers?

Red Hat invested quite a bit in Linux and then Oracle came along and offered support for RHEL at half price. This actually caused their stock to drop a while back.

What a truly splendid business. A company like Red Hat invests in Linux and a massive corp like Oracle can come along and undermine their profits without improving the software.

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RE[4]: Reason Linux lives:
by Kebabbert on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 17:27 in reply to "RE[3]: Reason Linux lives:"
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2007-07-27

Red Hat invested quite a bit in Linux and then Oracle came along and offered support for RHEL at half price. This actually caused their stock to drop a while back.

What a truly splendid business. A company like Red Hat invests in Linux and a massive corp like Oracle can come along and undermine their profits without improving the software.

But this only proves my point. Oracle CAN do like this with Linux. It would not be possible to do like this with Apple OS X or Windows. This possibility is the sole reason Linux attracts lots of business people: you can easily make money out of Linux.

I am not saying this is good, but I am saying this opportunity draws attention from lots of business men who wants easy money. (Personally, I dont like this at all).

But seriously. Why would a business man NOT sell something that lot of engineers has put a lot of hard work into? It is free! Let someone else (the hard working nerds and geeks that gladly code for peanuts) take the R & D cost. You just brand it as a package and sell it.

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RE[5]: Reason Linux lives:
by phoenix on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 23:49 in reply to "RE[4]: Reason Linux lives:"
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2005-07-11

"Red Hat invested quite a bit in Linux and then Oracle came along and offered support for RHEL at half price. This actually caused their stock to drop a while back.

What a truly splendid business. A company like Red Hat invests in Linux and a massive corp like Oracle can come along and undermine their profits without improving the software.

But this only proves my point. Oracle CAN do like this with Linux. It would not be possible to do like this with Apple OS X or Windows. This possibility is the sole reason Linux attracts lots of business people: you can easily make money out of Linux.
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Nope, that has nothing to do with your point, which that this applies only to Linux and not to FreeBSD. There was no mention of MacOS X or Windows in your original posts.

However, there's nothing stopping people from doing for Windows/MacOS X what Oracle did for RHEL. In fact, there are tonnes of businesses out there that provide support for MS/Apple products at lower prices than Microsoft.

You just brand it as a package and sell it.


How is that any different from any other industry? Just look at the soft drink industry. Sure, when you walk down the aisle you see multiple brands (Coke, Pepsi, PC Cola, Safeway brand, Craigmont Cola, etc). However, if you look closely, you'll find that most of the "store brands" are just Coke or Pepsi re-branded and sold a lower price, with just a few tweaks to the recipe.

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RE[5]: Reason Linux lives:
by nt_jerkface on Sat 3rd Jul 2010 02:38 in reply to "RE[4]: Reason Linux lives:"
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2009-08-26


But this only proves my point. Oracle CAN do like this with Linux. It would not be possible to do like this with Apple OS X or Windows. This possibility is the sole reason Linux attracts lots of business people: you can easily make money out of Linux.


No it doesn't prove your point. It isn't splendid business for Red Hat when Oracle can cut into their profits without investing into Linux. Oracle makes their money from OracleDB and just picks up Linux customers from Red Hat as a way of making some extra cash and getting new customers closer to their proprietary database software.

You know what splendid business looks like? Being able to make billions a year in profit from a single software product. That's what Oracle does and the profit they take from Red Hat is pocket change to them. Now don't get me wrong, I think Oracle is a good company and undercutting Linux companies is fair game but I see nothing splendid from the point of view of Red Hat. Profitable yes, but not splendid or lucrative.


I am not saying this is good, but I am saying this opportunity draws attention from lots of business men who wants easy money.


I don't think it is easy money. Oracle can only do that because they have an strong corporate reputation and a tie-in with their database software. Novell also offers RHEL support and they certainly aren't getting rich from it.

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