Linked by vodoomoth on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 09:03 UTC
Opera Software Opera 10.60 has been released July 1 for Mac OS X and is available for download. The features highlighted on the changelogs page are: layout engine (codename 'Presto'), HTML5 with support for offline web applications, WebM, which has been available in Opera (in a special build) on the very day of the announcement at the Google I/O conference, web workers for running scripts in the background without impeding the browsing experience, and geolocation. Version 10.60 is also available for Windows and Linux/BSD.
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RE: Comment by mtzmtulivu
by kaiwai on Sat 3rd Jul 2010 00:57 UTC in reply to "Comment by mtzmtulivu"
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

anybody notice certain products from certain companies are reviewed from apologetic eye and other products from other companies are reviewed with a critical eye?

The critical eye on opera seem to be a little bit higher on those who review this browser here for some reason. I do not remember seeing any other article from the author so i cant say anything about his/her writing but the article is consistent with most articles written about this browser.

In blogs, some products are covered positively and most of the negative comments are on the comments section and other products get negative coverage and positive comments are found on the comment section.This seem to be a balance that seem to come up naturally or is cultivated to create "an environment where both sides are covered".

I wonder who set the trend here on opera


Whatever conspiracy theory some Opera advocates try to conjure up it don't stand up to scrutiny - people are going to compare their current browser with Opera. If Opera doesn't step up and either equal or better than the status quo for that user then it will be marked down.

What marks down Opera for me is the lack of out of process plugin support, Mac OS X still being the bastard red headed step child as so far as Opera still using Carbon, the high CPU utilisation with memory not being reclaimed after each tab is shut, and so on. I compare my experience with Opera to Safari and to really pull me away from Safari, Opera not only has to meet but beat Safari on Mac OS X.

I really do what to see an alternative to Safari on Mac OS X that actually addresses all the short comings of Safari; I want to see tab process isolation, low cpu utilisation, taking advantage of Core Animation and other hardware acceleration API's where possible, plugin process isolation, the browser running in a low privileged mode so that when there is a security issue it doesn't have me fearing the consequences given the sandboxed environment.

Yes I have given Opera 10.60 a go and the same issues that I had with all previous versions still exist - so I am not a blind anti-Opera zealot, just that when push comes to shove and all the cards are counted the Opera programmers really haven't taken Opera to the next level of functionality to which we are seeing when it comes to its competitors.

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RE[2]: Comment by mtzmtulivu
by mtzmtulivu on Sat 3rd Jul 2010 02:26 in reply to "RE: Comment by mtzmtulivu"
mtzmtulivu Member since:
2006-11-14

Whatever conspiracy theory some Opera advocates try to conjure up it don't stand up to scrutiny - people are going to compare their current browser with Opera. If Opera doesn't step up and either equal or better than the status quo for that user then it will be marked down.



What marks down Opera for me is the lack of out of process plugin support, Mac OS X still being the bastard red headed step child as so far as Opera still using Carbon, the high CPU utilisation with memory not being reclaimed after each tab is shut, and so on. I compare my experience with Opera to Safari and to really pull me away from Safari, Opera not only has to meet but beat Safari on Mac OS X.

And here lies the problem, most reviewers of opera on this forum compares the browser against their personal preferences and not against what other browsers are doing and criticize it if it doesnt agree with those preferences. I mean look at this review, one would expect some sort of a comparison btw this browser and its competitors but the reviewer just pointed to a list of new features and went on to talk about how the browser doesnt agree with his personal preferences.

i dont know about opera on a mac, but it does handle flash plugin in a separate process in linux. In linux, the opera main process is called "opera" and flash plugin is handles by an external process called "operapluginwrapper".

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RE[3]: Comment by mtzmtulivu
by kaiwai on Sat 3rd Jul 2010 02:52 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by mtzmtulivu"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

And here lies the problem, most reviewers of opera on this forum compares the browser against their personal preferences and not against what other browsers are doing and criticize it if it doesnt agree with those preferences. I mean look at this review, one would expect some sort of a comparison btw this browser and its competitors but the reviewer just pointed to a list of new features and went on to talk about how the browser doesnt agree with his personal preferences.


For me when I review something it has nothing to do with personal preferences; my complaints aren't related to the icons or the menu layout because quite frankly they're things I can adjust to after a few weeks/months of use. The problem I have lays with the features Opera doesn't provide when compared to what Safari provides or the fact that a certain website doesn't load with Opera but works perfectly fine with Safari. Those are the comparisons that I believe should be done and not the, quite frankly, trivial sh-t based on ones subjective feels.

Unfortunately it is a whole lot easier to write an article whining about personal preferences than knuckling down and doing an in depth comparison between Opera vs. the rest. There is a discussing taking place very much like this on Arstechnica where long time readers are bemoaning the loss of the in depth technology based articles where a CPU architecture would be dissected and explained. These days it seems that websites are turned into news arrogation services with the occasional article that sounds like a combination of marketing and personal preference.

I dont know about opera on a mac, but it does handle flash plugin in a separate process in linux. In linux, the opera main process is called "opera" and flash plugin is handles by an external process called "operapluginwrapper".


The plugin on Opera for Mac does not launch as a separate process, so if you have a run away flash ad then you're pretty much SOL. Opera really needs to lift its game because right it reminds me of the browsers from 5 years ago - time has moved on. End users want more stability, faster fetching of pages, faster execution of javascript and they don't want the thing to hog the CPU and suck up battery life. The other browsers so far have gotten that - Opera developers seem to be stuck in 2005.

Edited 2010-07-03 03:03 UTC

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