Linked by vodoomoth on Fri 2nd Jul 2010 09:03 UTC
Opera Software Opera 10.60 has been released July 1 for Mac OS X and is available for download. The features highlighted on the changelogs page are: layout engine (codename 'Presto'), HTML5 with support for offline web applications, WebM, which has been available in Opera (in a special build) on the very day of the announcement at the Google I/O conference, web workers for running scripts in the background without impeding the browsing experience, and geolocation. Version 10.60 is also available for Windows and Linux/BSD.
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RE[2]: Comment by mtzmtulivu
by mtzmtulivu on Sat 3rd Jul 2010 02:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Comment by mtzmtulivu"
mtzmtulivu
Member since:
2006-11-14

Whatever conspiracy theory some Opera advocates try to conjure up it don't stand up to scrutiny - people are going to compare their current browser with Opera. If Opera doesn't step up and either equal or better than the status quo for that user then it will be marked down.



What marks down Opera for me is the lack of out of process plugin support, Mac OS X still being the bastard red headed step child as so far as Opera still using Carbon, the high CPU utilisation with memory not being reclaimed after each tab is shut, and so on. I compare my experience with Opera to Safari and to really pull me away from Safari, Opera not only has to meet but beat Safari on Mac OS X.

And here lies the problem, most reviewers of opera on this forum compares the browser against their personal preferences and not against what other browsers are doing and criticize it if it doesnt agree with those preferences. I mean look at this review, one would expect some sort of a comparison btw this browser and its competitors but the reviewer just pointed to a list of new features and went on to talk about how the browser doesnt agree with his personal preferences.

i dont know about opera on a mac, but it does handle flash plugin in a separate process in linux. In linux, the opera main process is called "opera" and flash plugin is handles by an external process called "operapluginwrapper".

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RE[3]: Comment by mtzmtulivu
by kaiwai on Sat 3rd Jul 2010 02:52 in reply to "RE[2]: Comment by mtzmtulivu"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

And here lies the problem, most reviewers of opera on this forum compares the browser against their personal preferences and not against what other browsers are doing and criticize it if it doesnt agree with those preferences. I mean look at this review, one would expect some sort of a comparison btw this browser and its competitors but the reviewer just pointed to a list of new features and went on to talk about how the browser doesnt agree with his personal preferences.


For me when I review something it has nothing to do with personal preferences; my complaints aren't related to the icons or the menu layout because quite frankly they're things I can adjust to after a few weeks/months of use. The problem I have lays with the features Opera doesn't provide when compared to what Safari provides or the fact that a certain website doesn't load with Opera but works perfectly fine with Safari. Those are the comparisons that I believe should be done and not the, quite frankly, trivial sh-t based on ones subjective feels.

Unfortunately it is a whole lot easier to write an article whining about personal preferences than knuckling down and doing an in depth comparison between Opera vs. the rest. There is a discussing taking place very much like this on Arstechnica where long time readers are bemoaning the loss of the in depth technology based articles where a CPU architecture would be dissected and explained. These days it seems that websites are turned into news arrogation services with the occasional article that sounds like a combination of marketing and personal preference.

I dont know about opera on a mac, but it does handle flash plugin in a separate process in linux. In linux, the opera main process is called "opera" and flash plugin is handles by an external process called "operapluginwrapper".


The plugin on Opera for Mac does not launch as a separate process, so if you have a run away flash ad then you're pretty much SOL. Opera really needs to lift its game because right it reminds me of the browsers from 5 years ago - time has moved on. End users want more stability, faster fetching of pages, faster execution of javascript and they don't want the thing to hog the CPU and suck up battery life. The other browsers so far have gotten that - Opera developers seem to be stuck in 2005.

Edited 2010-07-03 03:03 UTC

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mtzmtulivu Member since:
2006-11-14


The problem I have lays with the features Opera doesn't provide when compared to what Safari provides or the fact that a certain website doesn't load with Opera but works perfectly fine with Safari. Those are the comparisons that I believe should be done and not the, quite frankly, trivial sh-t based on ones subjective feels.


And here lies the core of the complain, a review of this browser here seem to come from people who are irritated enough to bother to write about those irritations and not what the browser has to offer to users of web browsers. There

ok, so lets say opera decides to add all the features that are in safari most safari users want and the next review will come from somebody who complain because it doesnt have all the features they like in firefox and if opera add those too, the review will come from a person who is complaining because it doesnt have all the features they want from chrome. Adding those too and a review will come from somebody complaining about too much bloat even though in term of disk space usage, opera takes the least amount of memory with all the features it provides out of the box.

There is too much focus on the negativity in reviews of this browser here for some reason.

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