Linked by David Adams on Tue 13th Jul 2010 16:48 UTC, submitted by diegocg
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris This morning, at the OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) meeting, the following was proposed and unanimously resolved: "The OGB is keen to promote the uptake and open development of OpenSolaris and to work on behalf of the community with Oracle, as such the OGB needs Oracle to appoint a liaison by August 16, 2010, who has the the authority to talk about the future of OpenSolaris and its interaction with the OpenSolaris community otherwise the OGB will take action at the August 23 meeting to trigger the clause in the OGB charter that will return control of the community to Oracle."
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RE[3]: Shame for great technology
by Rahul on Tue 13th Jul 2010 19:52 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Shame for great technology"
Rahul
Member since:
2005-07-06

You are asserting that if OpenSolaris was released under GPL by Sun, it would have automatically gained a diverse community but that fails in the face of reality. Take a look at MySQL which is a project under the GPL license managed by Sun which had similar issues around lack of community and worries about control of Oracle during the Sun acquisition. License alone does not guarantee any community at all. It might have helped or hindered. One cannot say for sure especially since Sun had to mix proprietary code it had licensed from third party folks in OpenSolaris which has yet to be replaced.

Debian's reading of CDDL is considered incorrect by FSF which considers certain components to fall under the system exception of GPL and hence not incompatible for the purposes of a port. So that is not a compelling example of a problem.

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Xender Member since:
2006-06-28

I'm with you about GPL is not the panacea. Anyway I think is a better option than CDDL.
Look at Mysql, it was possible to create the fork MariaDB.

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Rahul Member since:
2005-07-06

In the case of MariaDB, that is specifically funded by a commercial company and led by a co-founder of MySQL.

If all you want is a fork, CDDL permits that as well. There is nothing preventing OpenSOlaris folks and several such derivatives already exist.

The problem with OpenSolaris is not that the license does not permit folks but that OpenSolaris is almost entirely developed by Sun engineers who now answer to Oracle. If you fork, you wouldn't be able to do much development because there is not much of a development community outside of Oracle capable of developing a fork of OpenSolaris. GPL license cannot solve that problem.

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gnufreex Member since:
2010-05-06

MySQL have community, and if Oracle tries to kill MySQL, forks will take over. There are already few forks like MariaDB, Drizzle, XtraDB... but nobody takes notice of those because Oracle is currently behaving ok and not trying to kill MySQL. As I said, GPL makes dictatorship to be benevolent, and if dictator is harmful to the project, then project will fork away.

Also, I don't think that copyright assignment policy is bad by design, but some companies are abusing it.

As for Debian interpretation of CDDL..? What issue are you implying? One with cdrtools, or one with sunos port?

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Rahul Member since:
2005-07-06

Copyright assignment policies allow centralized copyright control and even though Oracle does release MySQL under the GPL, the license does not apply to Oracle and Oracle is free to sell proprietary versions.

If you want forks, OpenSolaris has several derivatives and forks that already exist. Again, CDDL does not prevent that at all.

As far as Debian is concerned, it has no lawyers and interpretation of license is done by developers which is problematic and in the case of porting, it was not prevented by CDDL. Debian might have thought so but does not make it correct.

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