Linked by David Adams on Fri 16th Jul 2010 19:44 UTC, submitted by sjvn
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris A Computerworld blog speculates that the open-source Unix distribution may live on, but Oracle won't be supporting it. At this point, "OpenSolaris' only real future is as a fork, which would not be easy to pull off. Still, with enough interest from developers it could be done. OpenSolaris is licensed under the GPLv3 CDDL and various other OSS licenses, so the base code is available."
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Kebabbert
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2007-07-27

Look at this quote from the same article:
"I'm a Linux fan and if you want Linux we have the best Linux in the world. If you want UNIX, we have the best UNIX in the world."

That's a guy that will sell whichever Nix the market wants, and the market has been moving towards Linux on X86. He makes his money by selling a DB that runs just fine on Linux x86. Why should he make a significant investment in Solaris when the market is moving towards Linux? He isn't interested in changing that market direction and that is what counts.

I dont understand your question: "Why should he make a significant investment in Solaris?". He IS already doing that: betting much more money on Solaris than he ever has betted on Linux. It is happening as we speak, have you missed it? Dont you read my posts? I just wrote in the post above: He has invested many billions in Solaris and Java. And he will continue to invest even more than that. If Larry invests many billions then he is committing and he (almost) goes all in. It is almost as 95% of Larrys billions goes to Solaris, and 5% goes to Linux.

Regarding why he prefers Solaris, I told you recently in the post above, that OracleDB runs better on Solaris than Linux. Solaris is the prefered OracleDB platform - this is outspoken and official. The official reference platform is Solaris - this was official long before Oracle bought Sun. And also, OracleDB runs on Solaris more than any OS. And also, OracleDB is developed first on Solaris, and then ported to other OS, maybe because of DTrace.

Almost all of this, I wrote just above. It is getting tiresome to repeat everything all the time. It would be much easier if you just read my posts?


"So, yes, he cares about Solaris and he is betting on it. He is increasing research and development, more than Sun ever had - he has said this officially.

Yes he is investing in Solaris but it is at the mainframe level. It isn't like with Sun where the plan was to displace Linux with Unix. Ellison doesn't have an emotional attachment to Solaris.
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Ok, so now we agree that he is investing in Solaris? But above you seemed to imply he would stop to invest more? I dont get it? Is he investing or not?


"But regarding OpenSolaris, it is a different thing. We will see what happens when we see an official statement from Oracle.

You don't need to wait for a statement, their position is clear by their actions.
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What "actions"? The problem is that Oracle has taken no actions at all yet. That is what this OS news article is about. There are no actions from Oracle. Or do you mean that the lack of actions is a bad sign? But below you write that they should have killed OpenSolaris? It is far worse to kill OpenSolaris, than to link to it from Oracle web page. So no actions proves nothing. It could be that Oracle is busy with all the income generating stuff first, and then turn attention to OpenSolaris. So no actions, does not prove anything.


The fact that OpenSolaris isn't on the main Oracle.com website speaks volumes.

When Oracle talks about Solaris, it is because they earn money on Solaris 10. Oracle is interested in pushing Solaris which costs money. But OpenSolaris is on their Solaris web page. So I am not as convinced as you.


They're clearly interested in pushing other Sun acquisitions like Java and MySQL but not OpenSolaris. They would have killed it immediately if it weren't for the bad press that such a move would elicit.

I dont think that Oracle cares about what others think. If they want to fire people, they do it. If they want to kill stuff, they do it. But the truth is that OpenSolaris development is continuing in a rapid pace which you can check yourself.

And how is Oracle supposed to release overdue Solaris 11, if all OpenSolaris code is scrapped? All new research and development goes into OpenSolaris first - so OpenSolaris will soon be forked off, polished and debugged - and then released as Solaris 11. There are lots of research and development into OpenSolaris, why throw away and kill it?

Your posts just dont make sense. It is like when we talked about Enterprise server halls, and you showed that Windows server sales are increasing. So what? What has Windows to do with Enterprise server halls? Totally off from reality.

Edited 2010-07-19 09:09 UTC

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nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

I dont understand your question: "Why should he make a significant investment in Solaris?". He IS already doing that: betting much more money on Solaris than he ever has betted on Linux.


He isn't investing significantly in the OS with the goal of displacing Linux. He'll just be investing in Solaris stacks that are built around the DB. Unlike Sun he has no interest in fighting a war against Linux and that is what matters. As for investing in Linux he doesn't need to when he can just take RHEL source and sell it with an Oracle stamp.


If Larry invests many billions then he is committing and he (almost) goes all in. It is almost as 95% of Larrys billions goes to Solaris, and 5% goes to Linux.

No one knows the exact amount that is going to Solaris.


What "actions"? The problem is that Oracle has taken no actions at all yet.


Consider the following actions since the takeover:

1. Making positive statements about acquisitions like Java and MySql while saying nothing about OpenSolaris

2. Ignoring the open letter from Ben Rockwood

3. Providing no response to the recent ultimatum by the OpenSolaris board

4. Providing no link to OpenSolaris from the main website

They have not forgotten about OpenSolaris. They have simply chosen to ignore it.


There are lots of research and development into OpenSolaris, why throw away and kill it?


Where are the performance advantages over Solaris? Even if OpenSolaris had some special tech it could be moved over to Solaris.


Your posts just dont make sense.


They probably don't from your perspective because you are deluding yourself when it comes to the fate of OpenSolaris.

OpenSolaris will either be forked or ignored by Oracle. Either way it will stagnate due to a lack of developer interest. Building around OpenSolaris or even Solaris x86 at this point is a mistake.

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Kebabbert Member since:
2007-07-27

Where are the performance advantages over Solaris? Even if OpenSolaris had some special tech it could be moved over to Solaris.

The purpose IS to move over the special tech to Solaris 10 and to form Solaris 11. I have told you this umpteen times; OpenSolaris is like Fedora, and Solaris 10 is like RedHat.


"Your posts just dont make sense.

They probably don't from your perspective because you are deluding yourself when it comes to the fate of OpenSolaris.
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Or maybe you are really confused and know nothing? At least it is very hard to try to explain things to you. And your own links are supporting ME, not you. But you dont understand that. I must read and interpret your own links and explain them to you. Do you have a hard time understanding written text? It seems so. I can explain again and again, to no avail.


OpenSolaris will either be forked or ignored by Oracle.

Great! At last you understand! OpenSolaris WILL be forked into Solaris 11. That IS the purpose. That is also the reason OpenSolaris will not die. Jesus.

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