Linked by gsyoungblood on Tue 20th Jul 2010 18:01 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless On July 15th the latest Android super-phone was released by Motorola and Verizon Wireless. All hail the Droid X. The release was not without controversy though. The Droid X, while greatly raising the bar for Android phones in general, does so at the expense of the very power users and community that made the original Droid the gotta-have phone it became. Alienating this group may have far reaching consequences for Motorola.
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good thing
by kovos on Tue 20th Jul 2010 18:39 UTC
kovos
Member since:
2010-07-20

as an android developer i hope most manufacturers follow motorola with this.
i'm sick of crappy incompatible roms which crash my applications and result in bad ratings.
those who want to root and load custom roms should get a symbian/meego device already and leave android alone.

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RE: good thing
by vodoomoth on Tue 20th Jul 2010 19:07 in reply to "good thing"
vodoomoth Member since:
2010-03-30


those who want to root and load custom roms should get a symbian/meego device already and leave android alone.

That's a dirty egotistical attitude. And because of what? Because you are "sick of crappy incompatible roms which crash my applications and result in bad ratings."?
What happens when the Symbian and Meego devs say the same thing you say? What's the thing that prevents you from displaying a message about compatibility with modified ROMs not being guaranteed? Someone who went for an unofficial ROM is bound to expect that some things will not work as advertised. Unless they're out of their minds.

And sorry, I don't buy the "crappy incompatible roms which ... result in bad ratings". How many handsets with incompatible Android ROMs are there out there?

Oh, and if you happened to be writing apps for Symbian, you would redirect people to Android, right?

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RE[2]: good thing
by nt_jerkface on Tue 20th Jul 2010 19:37 in reply to "RE: good thing"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Those types of responses just send developers back to the iphone.

Motorola was probably sick of support costs related to outside roms. If you think that warnings are a solution to this problem then you are naive. People will lie about what they did to their phone and demand a refund.

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RE: good thing
by gnufreex on Tue 20th Jul 2010 19:37 in reply to "good thing"
gnufreex Member since:
2010-05-06

How about you go develop for iCrap to get screwed by Steve J. instead of pushing people from Android, huh? It is not intended to be a walled garden Motorola is pushing their luck and I hope they go bankrupt. They are already losing money, this wont help.

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RE[2]: good thing
by nt_jerkface on Tue 20th Jul 2010 19:50 in reply to "RE: good thing"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

It is not intended to be a walled garden Motorola is pushing their luck and I hope they go bankrupt.


It's their phone and they can tie it to a rom if they want. Phones should not be designed around the needs of 1% of the users.


They are already losing money, this wont help.


Not likely when Droid X is selling out everywhere:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Motorola-Droid-X-Gone-...

Shouldn't you be glad that a Linux based device is providing some serious competition for Apple? It's already hitting their stock:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-bruised-on-concerns-of-margi...

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RE: good thing
by izomiac on Tue 20th Jul 2010 22:32 in reply to "good thing"
izomiac Member since:
2006-07-26

It sounds like your applications are making invalid assumptions and crashing as a result. This generally results from not looking beyond "it works on my machine" and not doing proper error checking nor checking if something exists before using it. While it is a lot easier to program that way, it doesn't produce high quality code.

Getting mad at your users for giving their honest opinion of your code is counterproductive. Rather than let your programs crash, pop up an error message explaining what it is that is lacking on their OS. Then your users will pressure the ROM makers to provide that functionality.

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RE: good thing
by cmost on Wed 21st Jul 2010 01:43 in reply to "good thing"
cmost Member since:
2006-07-16

as an android developer i hope most manufacturers follow motorola with this.
i'm sick of crappy incompatible roms which crash my applications and result in bad ratings.
those who want to root and load custom roms should get a symbian/meego device already and leave android alone.


Please be realistic. An Android phone (being based on Linux) is screaming for hackers to pick it apart and customize to their heart's content. If your applications are crashing on modded ROMs then maybe you should brush up your programming skills instead of blaming the very community that brought forth the likes of Linux.

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RE[2]: good thing
by nt_jerkface on Wed 21st Jul 2010 02:58 in reply to "RE: good thing"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26


Please be realistic. An Android phone (being based on Linux) is screaming for hackers to pick it apart and customize to their heart's content. If your applications are crashing on modded ROMs then maybe you should brush up your programming skills instead of blaming the very community that brought forth the likes of Linux.


OMFG are you serious? People are hacking the underlying OS and you are telling the application developer to brush up on his skills to adapt?

So if I hack a RHEL image and break compatibility with a RHEL certified program it is the developer's fault for not having the ESP required to predict my changes to the system?

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RE: good thing
by kaiwai on Wed 21st Jul 2010 05:40 in reply to "good thing"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

as an android developer i hope most manufacturers follow motorola with this.
i'm sick of crappy incompatible roms which crash my applications and result in bad ratings.
those who want to root and load custom roms should get a symbian/meego device already and leave android alone.


Sweet cheeks, there is nothing stopping you from clearly stating that you will not support users who run custom ROM's on their phones. The vast majority of end users don't load custom ROM's on their phones, they stick with the status quo and receive updates from their carrier. Quite honestly you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Edited 2010-07-21 05:41 UTC

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RE[2]: good thing
by Dryhte on Wed 21st Jul 2010 08:06 in reply to "RE: good thing"
Dryhte Member since:
2008-02-05

The vast majority of end users don't load custom ROM's on their phones, they stick with the status quo and receive updates from their carrier.


or don't receive them (like me and my trusty 'old' Samsung i7500 Galaxy).

If I couldn't install custom, unapproved roms on there I'd still be stuck with Android 1.5. A lot of the viability of Motorola's model (and the happiness of their users) hinges on their ability to keep supporting their devices through a couple of Android version updates. If I'd have a Droid X and they'd keep updating it with high quality recent firmwares, I'd not be too worried about the inability to apply custom roms; however, if they'd leave me in the cold as Samsung has, while also unable to apply my own choice of firmwares, that would surely have been my very last Motorola phone ever.

Still, I can't see why it'd be so hard for them to allow users to opt out of warranty and killswitch with a big red 'void warranty' button (preferably irreversible). I'd like to know that I have a choice in the matter.

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RE[2]: good thing
by nt_jerkface on Wed 21st Jul 2010 17:54 in reply to "RE: good thing"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Sweet cheeks, there is nothing stopping you from clearly stating that you will not support users who run custom ROM's on their phones.


Oh right, a warning screen solves all problems.

Just put an 21+ warning on your website and that will keep out kids and teenagers. Morality will ensure that no one will lie about their age.

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