Linked by gsyoungblood on Tue 20th Jul 2010 18:01 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless On July 15th the latest Android super-phone was released by Motorola and Verizon Wireless. All hail the Droid X. The release was not without controversy though. The Droid X, while greatly raising the bar for Android phones in general, does so at the expense of the very power users and community that made the original Droid the gotta-have phone it became. Alienating this group may have far reaching consequences for Motorola.
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RE[2]: good thing
by nt_jerkface on Tue 20th Jul 2010 19:50 UTC in reply to "RE: good thing"
nt_jerkface
Member since:
2009-08-26

It is not intended to be a walled garden Motorola is pushing their luck and I hope they go bankrupt.


It's their phone and they can tie it to a rom if they want. Phones should not be designed around the needs of 1% of the users.


They are already losing money, this wont help.


Not likely when Droid X is selling out everywhere:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Motorola-Droid-X-Gone-...

Shouldn't you be glad that a Linux based device is providing some serious competition for Apple? It's already hitting their stock:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-bruised-on-concerns-of-margi...

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RE[3]: good thing
by gnufreex on Tue 20th Jul 2010 20:10 in reply to "RE[2]: good thing"
gnufreex Member since:
2010-05-06

" It is not intended to be a walled garden Motorola is pushing their luck and I hope they go bankrupt.


It's their phone and they can tie it to a rom if they want. Phones should not be designed around the needs of 1% of the users.


They are already losing money, this wont help.


Not likely when Droid X is selling out everywhere:
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Motorola-Droid-X-Gone-...

Shouldn't you be glad that a Linux based device is providing some serious competition for Apple? It's already hitting their stock:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/apple-bruised-on-concerns-of-margi...
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Phones should be designed around needs of 100% of users. Tell me, how big is percent of people who think phones should self-destruct when manufacturer wishes so?

I am not glad tha "Linux device" is going to take over the world if that device is worse than propriatary technology it replaces.

See, I am not Linux zealot, I don't give a crap if Linux is most popular OS or not, I want compuers and phones to do what they are made for and that is why I like open source. Not becaus its cooll, or because sometingh else, I like it because gives control to the users. Computers should do what users say, and not self-destruct when manufacturer don't like you.

As for "their phone, they decide when to explode" kind of argument... NO! Android is not written by Motorola, and hardware don't belong to Motorola once they sell it. So they are not ones who should decide when it will explode. It's the user!!

And how many users like exploding phones? They should advertise it as such. They should put big red letter saying: This EXPLODES WHEN WE DECIDE!!

I wonder who will buy it when they tell the truth.

Edited 2010-07-20 20:12 UTC

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RE[4]: good thing
by nt_jerkface on Wed 21st Jul 2010 01:05 in reply to "RE[3]: good thing"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26

Phones should be designed around needs of 100% of users.


That's impossible due to conflict of interest.


Tell me, how big is percent of people who think phones should self-destruct when manufacturer wishes so?


They lock up if you load a foreign ROM which only matters to 1% of the population. 99% of the population doesn't even know what a ROM is.


And how many users like exploding phones? They should advertise it as such. They should put big red letter saying: This EXPLODES WHEN WE DECIDE!! [

I wonder who will buy it when they tell the truth.


That wouldn't be the truth because the phone doesn't actually explode.

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RE[3]: good thing
by Damnshock on Tue 20th Jul 2010 20:43 in reply to "RE[2]: good thing"
Damnshock Member since:
2006-09-15

It's their phone and they can tie it to a rom if they want.


That's the thing: it is *NOT* their phone but *MINE*

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RE[4]: good thing
by fanboi_fanboi on Thu 22nd Jul 2010 13:51 in reply to "RE[3]: good thing"
fanboi_fanboi Member since:
2010-04-21

Do you have your own nationwide cell towers and supporting infrastructure?

It is their phone, if you use it on their network. Read the EULA, else jailbreak it.

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RE[3]: good thing
by HappyGod on Tue 20th Jul 2010 23:46 in reply to "RE[2]: good thing"
HappyGod Member since:
2005-10-19

It's their phone and they can tie it to a rom if they want. Phones should not be designed around the needs of 1% of the users.


Hmm, I wonder how well they advertised the fact that that's what they were doing. Especially since the previous phone was wide open, and users naturally assumed that this phone was its successor.

Also, I don't think anyone here is arguing that they can't lock the phone to a ROM, just that it's a bit rude, and they shouldn't.

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RE[4]: good thing
by aesiamun on Wed 21st Jul 2010 01:12 in reply to "RE[3]: good thing"
aesiamun Member since:
2005-06-29

The droid that was sold on the verizon network was wide open, the Milestone that was sold to Europeans and Canadians has similar functionality. It had a locked and encrypted boot loader that to this day cannot boot non moto signed roms.

You can still get root on them though.

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RE[3]: good thing
by merkoth on Wed 21st Jul 2010 15:04 in reply to "RE[2]: good thing"
merkoth Member since:
2006-09-22

It's Motorola's phone? Funny, I thought it was impossible to sell stuff and remain as the owner of said stuff.

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RE: One Percent
by NemoM on Fri 23rd Jul 2010 13:01 in reply to "RE[2]: good thing"
NemoM Member since:
2010-07-23

Phones should not be designed around the needs of 1% of the users.


I agree with that. Unfortunately, the phone WAS designed around the "one percent"... The phone was purposefully engineered to allow Moto to block the use of custom ROMs. If custom ROMs weren't an engineering consideration, they wouldn't have wasted time, money, and space inside the phone with the fuse.

If they want to void the warranty if I install a custom ROM, I'm fine with that. I'm sure they could more easily have something log the ROMs running on the phone, and check it if I bring it in becuase "it just stopped working". But making it unuseable if I do install a custom ROM is akin to automatically killing the engine in my auto if I open the hood and install "unapproved" spark plugs.

Here's my favorite part about your argument... Not only was the phone engineered around the "one percent", you paid for it.

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