Linked by David Adams on Tue 27th Jul 2010 07:35 UTC, submitted by sjvn
Linux Some people hate the idea of adding proprietary software to their desktop Linux. For these people, there are Linux distributions such as gNewSense that use only free software. For the rest of us, who use distributions such as Fedora, openSUSE and Ubuntu, there are times we either want to, or feel forced to, add proprietary programs such as Adobe Flash or Skype or the ability to play proprietary audio and video formats such as MP3 or commercial DVDs to your Linux desktop. Here's how to do it.
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lemur2
Member since:
2007-02-17

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The 1% figure for the desktop is a myth.

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

Heading towards 5%.


Your right, it is a myth. More like .94%. Do you even bother to read these websites you link?

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You cannot - as a web developer - rely only on statistics. Statistics can often be misleading.
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Exactly. The oft-quoted 1% statistic is one such highly misleading statistic ... it is in fact a barefaced lie. Linux has far, far greater penetration that that, even if you blinker your view to look at ONLY the desktop.

Global averages may not always be relevant to your web site. Different sites attract different audiences. Some web sites attract professional developers using professional hardware, while other sites attract hobbyists using old low spec computers.


You can't get much more "professional hardware" than these systems:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Roadrunner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_%28computer%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebulae_%28computer%29

"It is 30% of netbooks (worldwide), apparently, which is a figure that the Windows world desperately doesn't want anyone to know.


What was the marketshare when netbooks first appeared?
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No, now.

What was the marketshare AFTER Windows was released on netbooks.


30%

Sorry, you fail once again.


How so?

" Why on earth would I be interested in installing inferior, closed-source Adobe software instead?


Because your "tinker-toy OS
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The world's most expensive, fastest machines use a tinker-toy OS?

http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/technology/39471-nearly-ever...

That would be news to the owners and designers of the world's most expensive, fastest, most reliable machines, I would think.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/16284/ten_years_of_ibm_mainframe_lin...

Perhaps you had better ring some of these people up and tell them that they are using a tinker-toy OS.

ROFLMAO.

and apps can not do what Acrobate can? Funny you say inferior, when that pretty much describes 99% of Desktop Linux apps. The only decent ones exist on Windows as well, so as NT_Jerkface points out, no reason to deal with the toy OS. But hey, enjoy your inferior desktop and apps, I am sure you get a lot done.


Pfft.

The world's biggest computational application, which is Google's services, runs on an estimated 1 million Linux servers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_platform#Server_hardware_and_so...

As for highly complex computing applications:
http://blogs.computerworld.com/15202/high_energy_linux_linux_the_la...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LHC_Computing_Grid
http://lcg.web.cern.ch/lcg/

This is not tinker-toy, by any stretch of the imagination.

The exact opposite, in fact. Linux is the OS of choice when computing gets serious.

Edited 2010-07-29 14:04 UTC

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ssa2204 Member since:
2006-04-22

Besides not reading your own links, you don't bother to read the posts either. We are talking about Desktop OS, to which Linux is an incredible failure, and will remain so for years and years to come until some finally realize what a complete waste of their lives they spent.

FYI, just because an alternative exists, does not mean it is comparable. You spend so much time obsessing about Linux you have no clue to the world outside. The day most of us decide to recommend some of these idiotic toy apps you always seem to think are equitable is the day we lose our jobs. Fools like you actually believe that something such as that wretched piece of shit called Open Office is actually anywhere comparable to Office. Hell, I would not even compare today's OpenOffice with Office 2003, and we are several iterations beyond that now. And this here is why the delusion will always cause failure. Thinking something is equatable is a hell of a lot different than actually knowing, and more importantly UNDERSTANDING why they are not equatable. Don't even get me started on those CAD programs, what a joke.

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Zifre Member since:
2009-10-04

to which Linux is an incredible failure

Not sure where you get this. Product success does not mean that everyone and their dog uses it. Even if it is only 1% (my estimate is about 1.5%), 1% * 1,000,000,000 people = 10,000,000 people. That is hardly insignificant.

and will remain so for years and years to come until some finally realize what a complete waste of their lives they spent.

Hardly. Different people use computers for different things. For me, Windows is a "tinker toy OS" because it doesn't do the things I want it to do, and it's much easier and more efficient for me to use Linux. I certainly wouldn't consider any of my time wasted. I haven't ever had to spend time configuring devices, settings, etc. to get anything to work. On the other hand, I spent days trying to find drivers for all my hardware when I installed Windows 7 (which I've only used to update the firmware on my iPod Touch).

In fact, you are wasting your time trying to convince people not to use software that they already use and like. I'm certainly not going to try to convince you not to use your software. If it works for you, fine.

Many people can and do get real work done on Linux. Many people can and do get work done on Windows or Mac OS X. Wake up, please.

FYI, just because an alternative exists, does not mean it is comparable.

Agreed. I don't think lemur2 has ever even used most of the programs he constantly mentions...

The day most of us decide to recommend some of these idiotic toy apps you always seem to think are equitable is the day we lose our jobs. Fools like you actually believe that something such as that wretched piece of shit called Open Office is actually anywhere comparable to Office. Hell, I would not even compare today's OpenOffice with Office 2003, and we are several iterations beyond that now. And this here is why the delusion will always cause failure. Thinking something is equatable is a hell of a lot different than actually knowing, and more importantly UNDERSTANDING why they are not equatable. Don't even get me started on those CAD programs, what a joke.

It's true that most of those professional apps have more features than the OSS ones. But most people don't ever come close to using all those features (and most people don't even use CAD apps, etc. to begin with).

Sure, MS Office might be nicer than OpenOffice, but you honestly can't tell me that the average person using MS Office could not use OO. (For businesses, that's another matter though. Many businesses do use those advanced features.)

Edited 2010-07-29 16:28 UTC

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jabbotts Member since:
2007-09-06

Our definitions of "incredible failure" must not be the same. About the only thing my desktop has been "incredibly failing" at for over five years of use now is running Windows only latest game titles.

My guess is that you don't bother to look beyond retail market share percentages which are missleading at best. Retail success is also a limited goal which only a few distributions compete for.

Now, I'll agree that a linux based distribution may not fit some of your specialty needs (all specialty needs dictate the OS choice) but it's far from an "incredible failure".

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lemur2 Member since:
2007-02-17

Besides not reading your own links, you don't bother to read the posts either. We are talking about Desktop OS, to which Linux is an incredible failure, and will remain so for years and years to come until some finally realize what a complete waste of their lives they spent.


As a desktop OS, my Kubuntu 10.04 Linux installation stomps all over the Windows installation I am required to use at work. Absolutely slaughters it in every way imaginable. The desktop itself is better (desktop cube, multiple desktops, clipboard history, activities, etc, etc), the underlying OS features (performance especially on modest hardware, lack of bloat, security, resistance to malware, updates from on source rather than multiple updaters, inter-operability with other platforms) are light-years ahead.

FYI, just because an alternative exists, does not mean it is comparable.


Indeed, many of them are better. Some of them are much better. As an example, the default out-of-the-box PDF reader is far, far better and more capable than Adobe Acrobat.
http://okular.kde.org/formats.php
Adobe Acrobat can't do most of that, it can only display PDF files. Oh, and as for Windows 7, it doesn't even come with a PDF reader, on any PDF capability at all.

You spend so much time obsessing about Linux you have no clue to the world outside. The day most of us decide to recommend some of these idiotic toy apps you always seem to think are equitable is the day we lose our jobs.


Clearly you haven't used contemporary Linux desktop applications (particularly KDE/Qt ones). This is how you design and build cross-platform protable applications BTW, you write them in C++ to use Qt and simply compile them (on Linux) using GCC for each platform target ... this kind of thing is totally no-can-do for Windows. I use both Windows applications and KDE desktop Applications every day, and the constant-use set of free KDE4 desktop applications I use every day absolutely stomps all over the equivalent, expensive-to-acquire-and-maintain ones I must use for Windows. No contest.

Fools like you actually believe that something such as that wretched piece of shit called Open Office is actually anywhere comparable to Office. Hell, I would not even compare today's OpenOffice with Office 2003, and we are several iterations beyond that now. And this here is why the delusion will always cause failure. Thinking something is equatable is a hell of a lot different than actually knowing, and more importantly UNDERSTANDING why they are not equatable. Don't even get me started on those CAD programs, what a joke.


Fortunately, blinkers, outrageous rudeness and vehement bias such as yours is not universal, or even common.

BTW: OpenOffice penetration is currently measured at between 10% to 20% of the installed base, depending on geographic locality.
http://www.quantenblog.net/free-software/openoffice-market-share
http://www.webmasterpro.de/portal/news/2010/02/05/international-ope...
(they measured it by looking at the fonts installed).

Ten to twenty percent of the installed base of Office suites represents an absolutely huge (hundreds of millions, and rapidly growing) number of people who do not agree with your assesment.

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bert64 Member since:
2007-04-23

On the desktop there is a huge degree of proprietary lock-in, applications are often written only for windows, data is often stored in proprietary formats only supported by specific applications... In virtually every other market linux is doing extremely well, be it servers, supercomputing, phones and all manner of other embedded devices.

Now all this proprietary lock-in is the sign of an immature market, combined also with constant progress taking place. As the market matures, the users will move towards more standard data formats (as is already happening in places), and you will reach a point where the current systems are adequate for your needs so there is no longer any compelling need to upgrade.
Once you reach this point, the market becomes commoditized and prices start being squeezed. Among a list of several adequate tools, the cheapest one will usually win - especially for business or government use.

Look at how windows was successful, it was crap, massively inferior to its competitors (proprietary unix boxes, novell, apple, even amiga) but it was much cheaper and ran on commoditized hardware.

Look at today, you can argue that openoffice is inferior to msoffice but at the end of the day its more than adequate for the needs of 99.9% of people while being considerably cheaper. Look at it purely from a business perspective, you have an office containing 300 people who need to write simple letters, both products will do the job but one costs $100 per user the other is free. It's the same decision that resulted in a sale for windows rather than a more expensive but massively superior sun/sgi/dec workstation or mac.

The only things holding it back are lack of user awareness (poor marketing) and proprietary data formats, the latter is gradually being addressed and if oracle dont address the former someone else will sooner or later.

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