Linked by David Adams on Sat 31st Jul 2010 06:05 UTC, submitted by fran
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Microsoft had its annual financial analyst meeting on Thursday, and Steve Ballmer answered questions about what the company's answer to the iPad was going to be, and whether Windows Phone 7 was going to be a part of that product strategy. He said, "We're coming . . . We're coming full guns. The operating system is called Windows." Ballmer and Microsoft so don't get it. I can't believe Steve Ballmer is making me feel sorry for Microsoft.
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RE: The touch revolution
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Sat 31st Jul 2010 17:01 UTC in reply to "The touch revolution"
Bill Shooter of Bul
Member since:
2006-07-14

The original iphone with out cut/paste, multi tasking, or third party development was half baked. Apple's history of product releases always starts off with a half baked version. OSx 10.0 was maybe even quarter baked. Ipod was half baked (firewire, macs only). Itunes was half baked ( no music store).

Apple is typically given a period of time by the marketplace ( other manufacturers are too slow to react) to polish the products.

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RE[2]: The touch revolution
by jtfolden on Sat 31st Jul 2010 19:30 in reply to "RE: The touch revolution"
jtfolden Member since:
2005-08-12

The original iphone with out cut/paste, multi tasking, or third party development was half baked. Apple's history of product releases always starts off with a half baked version. OSx 10.0 was maybe even quarter baked. Ipod was half baked (firewire, macs only). Itunes was half baked ( no music store).


It's a bit silly to look back in hindsight and see "missing pieces" only due to their importance today.

When iTunes was initially released there were NO online mainstream music stores, nor were record companies pushing for such.

The iPod was originally intended for Mac users only, the fact it didn't work out of the box on Windows was irrelevant.

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RE[3]: The touch revolution
by David on Sun 1st Aug 2010 00:11 in reply to "RE[2]: The touch revolution"
David Member since:
1997-10-01

You have a point, but I think it was pretty clear to users of both OSX 10.0 and iPhoneOS 1.0 that the products were "half baked," that is to say, they were missing key features or functionality, or those features were rough, and we all expected them to be improved in future versions.

The users of these products generally appreciated them for what they were, while waiting expectantly for the future revisions that we knew would come. The fact that every subsequent version of OSX and iOS have been better and faster is one of the reasons why Apple fanboys get so excited about new releases and upgrades. During the Jobs 2.0 era, Apple has a great track record of taking a promising OS and making it better with each revision.

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Bill Shooter of Bul Member since:
2006-07-14

It's a bit silly to look back in hindsight and see "missing pieces" only due to their importance today.


I'm not, those were my complaints when they were released. I was looking to buy a mp3 player. Ipod was mac only, so I could not consider buying it.

ITunes was also mac only, and was not as good as music match (IMHO). I was at the time screaming for a legal way to buy digital audio on the net. I did forsee the future of the integration and decried its non-existence. Early versions of Music Match were loosely integrated with mp3.com's free music content.

Os X just sucked. True story: Microsoft audited the api for osx and reported back to Apple that they would be unable to write an office version for it, without substantial improvements. Yes, MS was critical to OSX's succes. 10.0 was as user friendly as the Linux Desktops of the day, while considerably less stable. ( It did rapidly improve at an astonishing rate, but the point stil stands)

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RE[2]: The touch revolution
by Tony Swash on Sun 1st Aug 2010 01:39 in reply to "RE: The touch revolution"
Tony Swash Member since:
2009-08-22

The original iphone with out cut/paste, multi tasking, or third party development was half baked. Apple's history of product releases always starts off with a half baked version. OSx 10.0 was maybe even quarter baked. Ipod was half baked (firewire, macs only). Itunes was half baked ( no music store).

Apple is typically given a period of time by the marketplace ( other manufacturers are too slow to react) to polish the products.


Its only half backed in your opinion, you are almost certainly not the demographic that Apple was interested in attracting. What Apple seem to get just right is judging what is the basic configuration of a device/system which will make is acceptable and popular in the market place.

Apple specialises in stripping away features so as to concentrate on the core functionality - once they have that right (in version 1) they can irritate changes organically with each new release. So, to take one of your examples, the iPod was stripped down so that its core functionality (playing music) was just right - then it could be added to.

By the way lots of us thought that being Mac only in version 1 was a feature not a bug ;)

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