Linked by David Adams on Sat 31st Jul 2010 06:38 UTC
Gnome Yesterday it was announced that GNOME 3.0 is delayed till next year. The extra time has given the Shell Developers some more time to play around with new concepts and they have come up a new mockup. Here are the new mockups.
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RE[2]: Now its gnome's turn...
by Richard Dale on Sat 31st Jul 2010 21:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Now its gnome's turn..."
Richard Dale
Member since:
2005-07-22

KDE 4.0 failed because it was a complete rewrite with all new technology.


KDE 4.0 didn't fail, and it was actually very successful. It did exactly what the release announcement said it would do, no more and no less. Without an early release to give the application developers something to build on (that's all KDE 4.0 was), then later releases like upcoming very solid 4.5 release wouldn't have been possible. There were certainly communication problems, but that is a relatively minor thing compared with failing to deliver a new platform at all.

Anyone who thinks that new desktop environments will emerge just perfect all in one go, if only the guys working on them just follow the advice of the 'armchair release managers' on internet forums like this one, just don't have a clue about how hard it is to develop a new desktop environment. I wish the Gnome guys luck, and hope they can keep their nerve in the face of the unjustified criticism like the KDE community has had to face from a small but vocal minority.

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jessesmith Member since:
2010-03-11

I completely agree with this. KDE 4.0 was fine for what it was designed to do. It was basically a technology preview. Sadly, a lot of package managers and users jumped on the release and tried to use it full time, which wasn't at all what it was intended for.

People are already doing the same thing with Gnome Shell, downloading it and running it and complaining it isn't good enough. But it isn't due for its official release for about another six months.

It's great to try new tech and give the developers (KDE or Gnome) some feedback, but people shouldn't publically whine about beta code not being perfect.

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RE[3]: Now its gnome's turn...
by Zifre on Sat 31st Jul 2010 23:41 in reply to "RE[2]: Now its gnome's turn..."
Zifre Member since:
2009-10-04

First, let me just say that I love KDE right now. I used Gnome until KDE 4.3, but now KDE is just awesome.

KDE 4.0 didn't fail, and it was actually very successful. It did exactly what the release announcement said it would do, no more and no less.

True. When I said it failed, I meant that it wasn't really useful for normal people to use, and thus, it was a failure to them. I understand that it was necessary for the progress of KDE, and I don't think that KDE did anything wrong with the release (although labeling it as "alpha" might have helped a bit).

The people at fault were the ones who expected it to be perfectly ready and usable (which included me at the time, after trying KDE 4.0, I expected to be sticking with Gnome for a long time, and now, I would hate to ever go back to Gnome).

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Beket_ Member since:
2009-07-10

Calling kde 4.0 successful is outrageous.

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Richard Dale Member since:
2005-07-22

Calling kde 4.0 successful is outrageous.


Please justify that statement. I've been a software developer for a long time, and in my opinion KDE 4.0 and the follow up releases have been one of the most successful innovations in the last 30 years.

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