Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 11th Aug 2010 19:14 UTC, submitted by Cytor
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris Due to me not working for OSNews these past eight weeks, I've been a bit out of the loop, as I didn't really follow technology news. I did notice that a lot is going on in OpenSolaris land, and today, Oracle has outlined what it has planned for Solaris 11 - and according to some, the fears about OpenSolaris' future were justified.
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RE[3]: Not surprised...
by Tuishimi on Thu 12th Aug 2010 16:01 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Not surprised..."
Tuishimi
Member since:
2005-07-06

People were locked into DEC and IBM products because they worked very well and customer support was excellent. They wanted to be locked in. They had the development tools to create their own software and even tho' the mid to main frames were expensive, they could support many users on VTs or even XTs.

Companies make choices and often they will pay extra money for extra support and/or features that might not be found in open source products.

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RE[4]: Not surprised...
by gnufreex on Fri 13th Aug 2010 08:55 in reply to "RE[3]: Not surprised..."
gnufreex Member since:
2010-05-06

That is BS. Nobody wants to be locked in, but sometimes companies will reluctantly chose lock in due to lack of better choice.

The thing is, Solaris now doesn't lot of things better than GNU/Linux, and year from now, it will be behind.

Other thing, Soalris 11 will have huge price tag and only way to get expertise is Oracle university, which is not exactly cheap.

On the other side, there are free distros like Ubuntu, CentOS and Debian GNU/Linux, and every kid can learn that and grow up by using it. Then, getting RHCE is walk in the park.

Solaris is sliding at inevitable death by obscurity.

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RE[5]: Not surprised...
by Kebabbert on Fri 13th Aug 2010 10:16 in reply to "RE[4]: Not surprised..."
Kebabbert Member since:
2007-07-27

That is BS.

Agreed your post is BS.


The thing is, Solaris now doesn't lot of things better than GNU/Linux, and year from now, it will be behind.

Wrong. Solaris does a lot of stuff better than Linux. Have you heard about ZFS? DTrace? ABI stability? etc etc etc


Other thing, Soalris 11 will have huge price tag and only way to get expertise is Oracle university, which is not exactly cheap.

Why do you say S11 will have a huge price tag? It seems that Solaris 10 is free to run for non commercial use.


On the other side, there are free distros like Ubuntu, CentOS and Debian GNU/Linux, and every kid can learn that and grow up by using it. Then, getting RHCE is walk in the park.

And the step to Solaris is quite small, too. There are several Linux companies that switch to Solaris because of limitations and bugs in Linux.

http://blogs.digitar.com/jjww/2008/04/democratizing-storage/

http://lethargy.org/~jesus/writes/choosing-solaris-10-over-linux



And also, the Linux kernel devs say Linux has bad code. Didnt you know? I dont see how bad quality code will catch up technically with Solaris. Maybe market share, yes. But not technically. It will not happen. BTRFS is a prototype. According to blog from august 2010, it is only two full time paid Oracle developers working on BTRFS. Oracle seems to not be serious with BTRFS? Where is the large dedicated BTRFS team with lots of resources? There are none? There is instead an ZFS team, that sells machines today? Ok. Then maybe Oracle should kill off BTRFS?








Linux Kernel dev David Miller:
http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/Active_Merge_Windows
"The [linux source code] tree breaks every day, and it's becomming an extremely non-fun environment to work in.

We need to slow down the merging, we need to review things more, we need people to test their f--king changes!"





Andrew Morton:
http://lwn.net/Articles/285088/

Q: Is it your opinion that the quality of the kernel is in decline? Most developers seem to be pretty sanguine about the overall quality problem...

A: I used to think it was in decline, and I think that I might think that it still is. I see so many regressions which we never fix.




And Dave Jones
http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/ols_2006_keynote.html
"Last year Dave Jones told everyone that the kernel was going to pieces, with loads of bugs being found and no end in sight."




Maybe you have missed the discussion where Alan Cox quits as a developer because Alan argues that the Linux regressions should be fixed correctly, which may break user applications? And Linus says that if user applications breaks, then you should not fix that Kernel issue correctly. Instead you should preserve the old behavior so user apps doesnt break. Alan complains on the Linux bugs, Linus says he shouldnt mind them.
http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/24/182

http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/28/375

"Quite frankly, I don't understand why I should even have to bring these issues up. You should have tried to fix the problem immediately, without arguing against fixing the kernel. Without blaming user space. Without making idiotic excuses for bad kernel behavior.

The fact is, breaking regular user applications is simply not acceptable. Trying to blame kernel breakage on the app being "buggy" is not ok. And arguing for almost a week against fixing it - that's just crazy.
Linus"




And Linus T says something like "Linux is bloated", "The I/O foot print is scary". etc.




And of course, it is much easier to find non-linux users that talk about the bad code of Linux. For instance FreeBSD programmer Theo de Raadt

http://www.forbes.com/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html
"[Linux is] terrible," De Raadt says. "Everyone is using it, and they don't realize how bad it is. And the Linux people will just stick with it and add to it rather than stepping back and saying, 'This is garbage and we should fix it.'"


Another CEO for a software company:
"You know what I found? Right in the [Linux] kernel, in the heart of the operating system, I found a developer's comment that said, 'Does this belong here?' "Lok says. "What kind of confidence does that inspire? Right then I knew it was time to switch."



So... "Solaris now doesn't lot of things better than GNU/Linux, and year from now, it will be behind"? You really believe it, yes? :o)

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RE[5]: Not surprised...
by Tuishimi on Fri 13th Aug 2010 15:12 in reply to "RE[4]: Not surprised..."
Tuishimi Member since:
2005-07-06

That is BS. Nobody wants to be locked in, but sometimes companies will reluctantly chose lock in due to lack of better choice.


Maybe I worded my post poorly. Basically that is what I am saying. Companies CHOSE to be locked into specific hardware/software combinations because those products met their needs and did a good job of it... and STILL DO in many cases. VMS is still supported by HP because there is a sizable install base and people don't WANT to switch.

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