Linked by Eugenia Loli on Mon 16th Aug 2010 06:41 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless I've seen it so many times in the movies and TV: a person wakes up in this futuristic world, walks by his kitchen, and a computerized voice is telling him that someone is calling him. But instead of picking up a receiver, the call is actually a video-call, and his TV is used for the conversation. If you put 2 and 2 together, this is not really that futuristic. Having a camera attached on your TV, and a VoIP SIP or Skype connection with it, is not mad science. So why don't we already have this on our TVs?
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Reading all this...
by Eugenia on Mon 16th Aug 2010 15:37 UTC
Eugenia
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2005-06-28

It makes me think that most of you just can't stand the idea of being "exposed" to your peers. Your problems seem to be psychological/social. You prefer the impersonal nature of voice calls.

I guess I'm one of those who likes to open up to others. I would give my right arm to be able to video-chat in good quality with my family who live so far away. Maybe not with any random person in the world, but I would still cherish the ability to video-chat with family and friends. The problem is that it's consumers like you, afraid of their own shadow, that fuck it up for people like me too.

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RE: Reading all this...
by RawMustard on Mon 16th Aug 2010 16:30 in reply to "Reading all this..."
RawMustard Member since:
2005-10-10

Opening up to others and allowing a corporation into your living room with a camera and a live net connection are completely different things.

I don't think anyone has stuffed anything up for people like you Eugenia, there are plenty of ways to video chat now without making it the norm on your TV.

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RE: Reading all this...
by righard on Mon 16th Aug 2010 16:42 in reply to "Reading all this..."
righard Member since:
2007-12-26

It makes me think that most of you just can't stand the idea of being active during the night and sleeping during the night.
You prefer the bright nature of the day.

I guess I'm one of those who likes to look at the stars, and hear the sound of owls. I'd give my right arm for the ability to shop, work and chat at night.
The problem is that it's people like you, afraid of the shadows, that fuck it up for people like me too. [sic]

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RE: Reading all this...
by stereotype on Mon 16th Aug 2010 17:18 in reply to "Reading all this..."
stereotype Member since:
2007-04-06

Why do you need that functionality on your TV?
I for one don't want my TV to be like a mobile phone, full of stupid useless gimmicks.
I'd rather my TV be as dumb as a monitor.
If I need more functionality, I'll get a set top box, dvd player, media center, whatever...

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RE: Reading all this...
by Laurence on Mon 16th Aug 2010 17:46 in reply to "Reading all this..."
Laurence Member since:
2007-03-26

It makes me think that most of you just can't stand the idea of being "exposed" to your peers. Your problems seem to be psychological/social. You prefer the impersonal nature of voice calls.

I guess I'm one of those who likes to open up to others. I would give my right arm to be able to video-chat in good quality with my family who live so far away. Maybe not with any random person in the world, but I would still cherish the ability to video-chat with family and friends. The problem is that it's consumers like you, afraid of their own shadow, that fuck it up for people like me too.


As has already been stated numerous times, you can still do all that.

Furthermore, why should we have to like something just so that someone like yourself can use a TV to make video calls instead of a computer, 3G mobile or video phone.

In fact, your attitude in that last post strikes me as a tad selfish.

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RE: Reading all this...
by Driht on Mon 16th Aug 2010 19:38 in reply to "Reading all this..."
Driht Member since:
2010-08-16

I am totally with the crowd: transforming all your phone calls in video-chat is a giant no-no.

And I'm a bit offended by your phrase: "Your problems seem to be psychological/social". Wanting to have some privacy in your own home is a problem now? I think is nothing less than a basic human right. If you don't want to use it, no problem. But please don't ask everyone else to do the same. And much less bring us to a psychyatrist if we don't.

I'm sick of seeing people reject their own privacy as something silly, outdated or not trendy. Your privacy is at the base of your freedom and your security. And if you can't understand that, sooner or later you are going to regret it. Read these two links:
http://www.gamesradar.com/pc/starcraft-ii/news/bloggers-attack-real...
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Counter-Strike-FPS-Knife-Fight,105...
And these are only an example. We are not "afraid of our own shadow". There is much more than a shadow, and people who fails to acknowledge that is not seeing the elephant in the room.

Most of regular people I have talked about video-chat react with horror to the possibility of transform regular voice phone in videochat. And I think it is the most sane reaction you can have.

Reasons to not enforce video in phone calls:
- Privacy. Obvious, if you are not a natural born showman. Not only I don't want to be seen in my underpants; neither I want to see everyone else's.
- Freedom. You are forced to stay in front of the camera and only talking. Have you ever had a call just after putting something in a pan? Most of the personal calls I receive are around 8-9 PM.
- Security. An example: if I want to assault you, I only need to call you to know if you are alone at home and where are you exactly, and how strong or capable of defending yourself you are.
- Unwanted calls. Imagine what kind of calls would do the same perverts that harass people by phone. Imagine what kind of spam you would receive.

You want to make video an optative and prearranged thing? Fine; no problem. In fact, you have it already, use your media center (if you really need to use your TV), or your PC, or your mobile phone. But don't force everyone into it. Much less try to convince us we are nuts because we don't like this cool and shiny feature very few people wants.

Edited 2010-08-16 19:44 UTC

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RE: Reading all this...
by phoenix on Mon 16th Aug 2010 19:38 in reply to "Reading all this..."
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

What happens if you and a bunch of friends are sitting down to watch a movie, and you get a call? Do you really want to disrupt the entire movie, and have the entire group of people watch your call?

Putting this is a TV makes no sense. TVs are meant to be used by groups of people. Phone calls are (usually) meant to be between two people. Video chat on a cell phone, tablet, palmtop, computer, etc makes a lot more sense.

That, and TVs should remain nothing more than video displays. The fewer builtins, the better.

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RE[2]: Reading all this...
by Driht on Mon 16th Aug 2010 19:50 in reply to "RE: Reading all this..."
Driht Member since:
2010-08-16

Even worse: football.

People would kill you for that.

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RE: Reading all this...
by WereCatf on Mon 16th Aug 2010 21:02 in reply to "Reading all this..."
WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

It makes me think that most of you just can't stand the idea of being "exposed" to your peers.

Indeed. Why should we be exposed to or expose ourselves to our peers? As far as I know, most people like to hang around at home in very casual wear (if any at all, like me) and it's just not a surprise in the least that they don't then want others to see them like that. Or to have to see others like that.

Besides, a lot of people feel awkward having to talk on the phone even as-is, what do you think they'd feel like if they were forced to start a complete stranger eye-to-eye?

The problem is that it's consumers like you, afraid of their own shadow, that fuck it up for people like me too.

No, the problem is consumers like you, self-righteous bastards, that try to force things upon people who don't want to have anything to do with them and then blame those people for any issues arising.

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RE: Reading all this...
by coreyography on Tue 17th Aug 2010 04:20 in reply to "Reading all this..."
coreyography Member since:
2009-03-06

It makes me think that most of you just can't stand the idea of being "exposed" to your peers. Your problems seem to be psychological/social. You prefer the impersonal nature of voice calls.


I prefer that they *are* voice calls. If I want someone to see me, or I want to see them, I'll pay them a visit or have them over for dinner.

I'd guess that most people don't like being exposed to their peers. Except strippers and flashers, maybe.

I guess I'm one of those who likes to open up to others. I would give my right arm to be able to video-chat in good quality with my family who live so far away. Maybe not with any random person in the world, but I would still cherish the ability to video-chat with family and friends. The problem is that it's consumers like you, afraid of their own shadow, that fuck it up for people like me too.


I'll tell you what my preference for voice calls is not, and that is a desire to snub or undermine you personally (or any other TV-video-chatting fans). "That Eugenia, you know, the woman with her crazy idea of talking to her mom on her tee-vee..."

I can see one of your points; if my family lived overseas, and I only saw them once or twice a year, then yes, I'd be looking into some sort of video-chatting mechanism (though I believe it exists today, if in a rather crude form). But the fact you are unhappy with the state of progress in this area does not make it everyone else's fault.

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RE: Reading all this...
by richsax on Tue 17th Aug 2010 10:28 in reply to "Reading all this..."
richsax Member since:
2010-08-16

The problem is that it's consumers like you, afraid of their own shadow, that fuck it up for people like me too.


Or cunts like you, who, despite being an editor for a tech site, doesn't understand average Joe.

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