Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 19th Aug 2010 16:15 UTC, submitted by poundsmack
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Fascinating stuff, but not entirely unexpected. As most of you will know, BlackBerry maker Research In Motion is working on a tablet dubbed the BlackPad, and according to several sources reporting to Bloomberg, the device will ship with software written by QNs Software Systems, which RIM purchased earlier this year.
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RE[5]: Surprise
by galvanash on Fri 20th Aug 2010 06:34 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Surprise"
galvanash
Member since:
2006-01-25

I'm not talking just about the kernel (neither QNX or Linux are just about the kernel). You could layer BB API's over a full Linux system. I've said it before, but RIM should have implemented the full proprietary BB stack over the MeeGo core.


Ok, but to what end? I realize this blackpad thing may be an entirely different beast, but RIM devices up to now have one and only one public API - J2ME (with their UIApplication framework bolted on to make things feel a bit more native for those that don't mind loosing portability).

Do you actually think RIM would _want_ to enable developers to write native applications targeting an underlying OS (like MeeGo or QNX or whatever)??? Why on earth would they ever do that? Do you really think they would want to support such a thing? More importantly, do you really think they could support such a thing?

If they isn't your goal with this whole use Linux thing, what is exactly? Is it just that you like the way Meego looks? I means don't get me wrong, the underlying platform matters to some degree, but for a phone with a J2ME API the look and feel is pretty much arbitrary, and it certainly doesn't have a platform dependency. If they wanted it to look like MeeGo, or an iPhone, or whatever, they could - without a whole lot of work (relatively speaking) and without requiring a new stack.

RIM's core competency is all tied up into BES deployments - they make email devices that can run a few apps as a bonus. They are primarily corporate devices for corporate users with corporate sensibilities.

I'm not saying they don't need to compete with iOS and Android, they do and they better or they will eventually get their asses handed to them... But at the same time, they need to stay within their own core competency. I frankly don't think RIM has the expertise to release a device that allows low level API access without blundering badly...

What they need imho, is simply better hardware. Their latest and fastest phone (Torch) has a wimpy 624Mhz Marvell processor, a relatively shitty screen, and just feels cheap and plastic compared to an iPhone and even some of the better Android phones. Better faster hardware is what they need, not a different software stack.

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RE[6]: Surprise
by vivainio on Fri 20th Aug 2010 12:10 in reply to "RE[5]: Surprise"
vivainio Member since:
2008-12-26


If they isn't your goal with this whole use Linux thing, what is exactly? Is it just that you like the way Meego looks?


They could cut their RND expenses and just take the platform as is - refocusing their corporate spending on differentiation, management bonuses or whatever may strike their fancy.

Going with QNX, they are paying for everything by themselves.

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RE[7]: Surprise
by Morty on Fri 20th Aug 2010 19:36 in reply to "RE[6]: Surprise"
Morty Member since:
2005-07-06

They could cut their RND expenses and just take the platform as is

What platform? Meego is far from production ready as a tablet platform, a Linux/Plasma solution is even further off. Even a Android based solution require quite a lot of RND to get out the door as a competitive tablet platform, as is why the tide of Android tablet has not hit the market yet.


Going with QNX, they are paying for everything by themselves.

Since QNX are more than self sustained and generates income, a large part of the RND gets paid by QNX customers. And a good part of any improvements and continued development of QNX will also be beneficially in QNXs current market segments, both for existing and potentially new customers.

And it's not like they are starting from scratch, QNX has already been in various types of equipment with touch based GUIs. In the end their RND expenses should not become too bad, compared to the RND requirements of bringing any of the Linux based solutions to a shipping standard. Adding factors like time to market and the potential for increased income for their QNX product, the decision makes quite a lot of sense.

Edited 2010-08-20 19:39 UTC

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RE[7]: Surprise
by Fettarme H-Milch on Sun 22nd Aug 2010 15:08 in reply to "RE[6]: Surprise"
Fettarme H-Milch Member since:
2010-02-16

Interesting how you twist your own words in retrospect in a desperate attempt to keep your argument (which was based on the alleged consumption of crack cocaine within RIM) valid.
First you claimed that RIM should use Linux to keep developers and after your argument has been debunked you now say that RIM should switch to Linux to cut their R&D costs....

I think with your "expertise" you should apply for the job of RIM boss. Judging from your comments the company would likely bankrupt within a year...

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