Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 20th Aug 2010 14:55 UTC, submitted by anilg
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris The Nexenta Core Platform marches on with the release of version 3.0 of the OpenSolaris based distribution, based on b134. It has also officially unveiled plans of moving from OpenSolaris to Illumos, the fully open branch of OpenSolaris. It will also now plan on moving to a new userland release. Grab the iso here.
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I have to admit
by kaiwai on Sat 21st Aug 2010 10:06 UTC
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2005-07-06

I've been tempted by Solaris in the past but brutally disappointed each time I've tried it for a variety of reasons - poor hardware support being one of them along with poor performance on this like FAT file system support and so on. Funny enough I've tripped over this website:

http://www.freelancer.com/

And wondered maybe in the future I should advertise a whole list of pet peeves I have with Solaris and pay freelance developers to fix them up - I know I can't programme for donkey balls but I wonder if I put up the money to pay for some of the problems to be fixed - what would the 'Solaris community' think of it? I've mentioned bounties in the past on the mailing list and chat room with the result being the cold shoulder by some regarding it.

I'd love to hear some feedback by developers regarding this idea; some of the ideas I have at the top of the list includes paying for an OpenBSD wireless layer so that wireless drivers can be easily compiled from OpenBSD to Solaris, maybe fund a project that totally removes HAL and replaces it with something else, improving the power management, support the full/complete implementation of the usbvc standard so that more web cams can be fully supported and include not only the latest CUPS but latest drivers from gutenprint and other driver repositories (and do not require more tweaking after installation as so many times on Solaris setting up printing requires) so that they can either be download and installed easily as binaries or included in the community distribution.

Edited 2010-08-21 10:14 UTC

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RE: I have to admit
by Dubhthach on Sat 21st Aug 2010 18:59 in reply to "I have to admit"
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2006-01-12

OpenSolaris/Illumos uses the FreeBSD wireless network stack. This is shared with both NetBSD (where it had originated) and OpenBSD (since 3.6). Several wireless drivers have been ported to OpenSolaris from both FreeBSD and OpenBSD (rum for example)

This wireless stack (net80211) has also been ported to Haiku as can be seen in the article here:
http://www.osnews.com/story/21822/Haiku_WiFi_Stack_Prototype_Connec...

There is also a project to port it to Mac OSX. Having a common Unix architecture for generic ieee80211 layer is a good idea in my opinion.

net80211 originated in NetBSD from what I recall before been adapted by FreeBSD and subsequently improved. There was an attempt to bring it into Linux but it was seen by some kernel developers as been "tainted" due to it's *BSD origin.

Generally I find the best support on laptops comes from those that are labeled as "Centrino"

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RE[2]: I have to admit
by kaiwai on Sun 22nd Aug 2010 02:11 in reply to "RE: I have to admit"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

OpenSolaris/Illumos uses the FreeBSD wireless network stack. This is shared with both NetBSD (where it had originated) and OpenBSD (since 3.6). Several wireless drivers have been ported to OpenSolaris from both FreeBSD and OpenBSD (rum for example)

This wireless stack (net80211) has also been ported to Haiku as can be seen in the article here:
http://www.osnews.com/story/21822/Haiku_WiFi_Stack_Prototype_Connec...

There is also a project to port it to Mac OSX. Having a common Unix architecture for generic ieee80211 layer is a good idea in my opinion.

net80211 originated in NetBSD from what I recall before been adapted by FreeBSD and subsequently improved. There was an attempt to bring it into Linux but it was seen by some kernel developers as been "tainted" due to it's *BSD origin.

Generally I find the best support on laptops comes from those that are labeled as "Centrino"


Cool, the problem is that many laptops these days are being bundled with Broadcom wireless especially those of the NZ$1000 range; there is the bwn driver from OpenBSD and the Linux STA driver from broadcom, neither one has been ported to Solaris even though the hardware is hugely popular out there. Yes I understand I can use NDIS but it isn't a particularly good solution given how iffy it is in terms of stability and the idea of running Windows code on Solaris does send a shudder up the spine. Hence my wondering whether I'm better off putting up a one off contractof $1000 to pay for Linux STA driver or the bwn driver to be ported to Solaris.

I know this is unrelated to your post but I'll tack it onto the reply - As for power management, the last reply on the mailing list for the tesla-dev was in June, has nothing happened in terms of development since then? kind of depressing that Solaris is sucking down the power and nothing is being done about it. I remember that there was a move to make the kernel tickless with the deprecation of lbolt64/lbolt in favour of ddi_get_lbolt()/ddi_get_lbolt64() and yet new drivers are still being merged that use the old deprecated calls - its a mickey mouse setup if you ask me! As for the tickless project, it is in a state of riga mortus since March with no new mail on their mailing list since then. To be pretty damn honest it is depressing to say the least.

But then again I can hardly complain if I fail to put my money where my mouth is and actually do something about by either paying someone to do it or address it myself. I guess in terms of such development there are higher priorities such as finishing off i18n in libc and other components that need open source replacements.

Edited 2010-08-22 02:17 UTC

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