Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 20th Aug 2010 14:55 UTC, submitted by anilg
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris The Nexenta Core Platform marches on with the release of version 3.0 of the OpenSolaris based distribution, based on b134. It has also officially unveiled plans of moving from OpenSolaris to Illumos, the fully open branch of OpenSolaris. It will also now plan on moving to a new userland release. Grab the iso here.
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RE[3]: I have to admit
by Dubhthach on Sun 22nd Aug 2010 11:36 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: I have to admit"
Dubhthach
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2006-01-12

Well I think the illumos guys at the moment are working on just having a booting system. It just shows though that Sun could have easily replaced the closed bits of libc by tasking 1-2 engineers to it. Garrett basically replaced it in a couple weeks of work all by himself. Perhaps Sun preferred that certain elements were kept closed source as it force the maintenance of an umbilical cord where 3rd party distro's were dependent on Sun to continue releasing the closed binary bits with each update.

Regarding Broadcom, I would think part of the issue here is no one has raised a bugfix/change request to incorporate bwn. If it was raised and relevant links pointed to OpenBSD/FreeBSD you might get a quicker turn around. (Emphasis on *Might*) Illumos do have a feature request list, I see for example they've added extra support for different Marvell Nic's to yge.

I myself refuse to buy laptops with Broadcom chips in them since I had a similar issue with Linux back in 2004. My solution was to buy an Intel mini-pcie wireless card (2915abg) card and install it. Result I had a Athlon64 laptop with intel wireless :-) which worked out of box with whatever *nix I put on it.

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RE[4]: I have to admit
by kaiwai on Sun 22nd Aug 2010 11:57 in reply to "RE[3]: I have to admit"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

Well I think the illumos guys at the moment are working on just having a booting system. It just shows though that Sun could have easily replaced the closed bits of libc by tasking 1-2 engineers to it. Garrett basically replaced it in a couple weeks of work all by himself. Perhaps Sun preferred that certain elements were kept closed source as it force the maintenance of an umbilical cord where 3rd party distro's were dependent on Sun to continue releasing the closed binary bits with each update.


True, I always got that impression - give the community enough freedom to think they've got some autonomy but not too much or otherwise they'll run off with the code and create a competing product. Add on top of that the laborious procedure just to get anything accepted as a new feature/enhancement/bug fix, I couldn't help but come to the conclusion that OpenSolaris nothing more than a giant marketing operation rather than a genuine open source project.

Regarding Broadcom, I would think part of the issue here is no one has raised a bugfix/change request to incorporate bwn. If it was raised and relevant links pointed to OpenBSD/FreeBSD you might get a quicker turn around. (Emphasis on *Might*) Illumos do have a feature request list, I see for example they've added extra support for different Marvell Nic's to yge.


I've made bug reports in the past and they've been ignored in the past - there is nothing much one can do if OpenSolaris developers ignore bug reports.

I myself refuse to buy laptops with Broadcom chips in them since I had a similar issue with Linux back in 2004. My solution was to buy an Intel mini-pcie wireless card (2915abg) card and install it. Result I had a Athlon64 laptop with intel wireless :-) which worked out of box with whatever *nix I put on it.


Today it isn't so easy given that many laptops apart from maybe Toshiba, Lenovo and the rare HP laptop, are using non-Broadcom wireless chips. One can avoid trying to get laptop with Broadcom or just bite the bullet and support it. At the end of the day one shouldn't need to jump through hoops to get support nor does everyone purchase a laptop with Solaris in mind - some purchase it with Windows first, they see Solaris and want to migrate across - why not make life easier but supporting as many device as practically possible?

Edited 2010-08-22 12:01 UTC

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