Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 25th Aug 2010 19:21 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones Today, Mozilla released the fourth beta of Firefox 4.0. After a period of what I would call stagnation, the Mozilla team are back on track with delivering interesting UI concepts. They were sensible enough to copy Chrome's excellent tabs-on-top UI, but have now also added something called Panorama, a new and very interesting way of managing your open tabs.
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Poor window management
by drcouzelis on Wed 25th Aug 2010 20:11 UTC
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2010-01-11

I tried this feature out on Linux. When I first used it I was very impressed. But then I realized that, in my opinion, it's kind of a bad solution to the problem of poor window management. The same thing can be said about web browser tabs in general.

In my opinion, good window management and tab management should be part of the window manager. If any application thinks it has to implement tabs or any sort of MDI to be good, then the window manager has failed.

Also, if the problem is that nobody wants to open a new web browser window because doing so would be too slow, then that's another issue.

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RE: Poor window management
by nimble on Wed 25th Aug 2010 20:20 in reply to "Poor window management"
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2005-07-06

Couldn't agree more. I find the differences between MDI interfaces in different applications quite jarring, and of course they don't allow to group documents/windows from different applications. Not to mention all the duplicated work.

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RE[2]: Poor window management
by phoenix on Thu 26th Aug 2010 18:23 in reply to "RE: Poor window management"
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2005-07-11

KWin in KDE SC 4.4+ allows you to combine top-level windows into a single tabbed window. Works quite nicely. Thus, you could hide the tab-bar in Firefox, configure it to open in new windows instead of new tabs, and let KWin handle everything for you.

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RE: Poor window management
by wannabe geek on Wed 25th Aug 2010 23:34 in reply to "Poor window management"
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2006-09-27


In my opinion, good window management and tab management should be part of the window manager. If any application thinks it has to implement tabs or any sort of MDI to be good, then the window manager has failed.


Agreed. That sounds like a typical case of the "inner platform effect": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner-platform_effect But of course, in practice, using ION3 or dwm has its drawbacks, so browser tabs come handy.

Also, if the problem is that nobody wants to open a new web browser window because doing so would be too slow, then that's another issue.


The obvious solution is for the app to improve its support for multiple windows. Maybe the ultimate solution would be RAM data deduplication, which may also make it possible to use static linking where it wouldn't make sense at present.

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RE: Poor window management
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 25th Aug 2010 23:56 in reply to "Poor window management"
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2005-06-29

Windows 7 allows applications to see tabs as separate taskbar entries. Works pretty well.

Your point is valid though.

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RE: Poor window management
by Fergy on Thu 26th Aug 2010 07:25 in reply to "Poor window management"
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2006-04-10

In my opinion, good window management and tab management should be part of the window manager. If any application thinks it has to implement tabs or any sort of MDI to be good, then the window manager has failed.

I think this feature won't replace window management but sessions and group bookmarks. The point is that you can organize your webdesktop by having a permanent place to put your tabs and group them by how you use them. The tabs on your webdesktop don't have to be loaded until you click them so you can have hundreds of tabs there without bogging down Firefox. The grouping also can give you extra information to find them later.

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RE: Poor window management
by Bill Shooter of Bul on Thu 26th Aug 2010 17:29 in reply to "Poor window management"
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2006-07-14

Then you'd want to check you uzbl. A webkit based browser that strictly adheres to the unix philosophy.

http://www.uzbl.org/

Personally, I love the philosophy, but find it to be a little too minimal and a little too steep of a learning curve. Emulating Vim modes, might not have been the best idea.

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