Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 26th Aug 2010 13:22 UTC
Multimedia, AV We haven't talked about this one for a while, but now there's news from the MPEg-LA camp. The MPEG-LA, known patent troll and chief supplier of FUD for well over ten years, is apparently feeling the pressure from Google's WebM project, and has done a complete 180. While promising earlier this year not to charge royalties for internet video that is free to end users until the end of 2015, they've now extended this promise to eternity. This may sound like a big deal, but it changes nothing - H264 is still a legal minefield even lawyers and the MPEG-LA itself have trouble understanding.
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horray
by spikeb on Thu 26th Aug 2010 14:05 UTC
spikeb
Member since:
2006-01-18

its not free but at least it doesn't cost money! </sarcasm>

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RE: horray
by mtzmtulivu on Thu 26th Aug 2010 14:41 in reply to "horray"
mtzmtulivu Member since:
2006-11-14

There are two definitions of free and i think its important people identifying what "free" they are using when making arguments for or against h.264 and any other competing media technologies.

definition 1: Free as does not have any patents and no royalties required for implementing the specification and no restrictions are imposed on how the implementor can distribute the implementation..

definition 2: Free as the technology is available in a non discriminatory way and anybody who care to implement the technology can do so after they pay for royalties if required and agree to licensing terms if present

both h,264 and vp8 are free by the second definition but only vp8 is free with the first.

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RE[2]: horray
by RichterKuato on Thu 26th Aug 2010 15:28 in reply to "RE: horray"
RichterKuato Member since:
2010-05-14

I like the main definitions of free:

Libre - With few or no restrictions.
Gratis - For zero price.

I don't think H.264 is free by either definition at least not yet anyway. Unless you're a viewer or (for now) hosts of free internet video.

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RE[2]: horray
by Fettarme H-Milch on Tue 31st Aug 2010 16:03 in reply to "RE: horray"
Fettarme H-Milch Member since:
2010-02-16

definition 1: Free as does not have any patents and no royalties required for implementing the specification and no restrictions are imposed on how the implementor can distribute the implementation..
(...) only vp8 is free with the first.

According to the guy who developed the VP8 decoder for ffmpeg, VP8 and h264 are very similar. He even called VP8 a derivateve of h264 Baseline.

Why should patents apply to h264 but not VP8?

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