Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 30th Aug 2010 22:47 UTC
Apple Since interesting news that I'm actually knowledgeable about is still a little hard to come by, I have to work a little harder. This is something interesting to discuss: John Gruber, rather famous Apple blogger, is now arguing that Apple is in fact not fighting the jailbreaking community. Wait, what?
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RE[2]: Voiding the warranty
by WorknMan on Tue 31st Aug 2010 02:02 UTC in reply to "RE: Voiding the warranty"
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The correct analogy in this case would be that you bought a new PC and re-flashed the BIOS with a hacked version.

Say as a result you perhaps bricked the machine, or something went wrong with the overvoltage/overheat protection logic and it caused your mainboard to fry.

I'd say the manufacturer has a pretty good case for voiding your warranty (assuming this was disclosed in the terms).

Well, you're speaking under the scenario that somebody actually bricked the device while trying to do something it wasn't designed to do, which of course is going to void the warranty ...

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RE[3]: Voiding the warranty
by wmlucas on Tue 31st Aug 2010 02:28 in reply to "RE[2]: Voiding the warranty"
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Why would warranty be an issue unless there are problems with the device? Why should Apple need to diagnose a jailbroken phone to see whether the jailbreak led to the issue?

I haven't followed the saga regarding the Apple's comments about jailbreaking, but the company being against jailbreaking could be interpreted many different ways.

As a developer, I would be happy if the company put an end to App Store piracy. Piracy is a very serious problem here, considering that iPhone developers generally don't use or cannot use serial numbers to verify ownership. Even if the store facilitated this, the App Store is designed around impulsive purchase behaviours, such that serial number requirements would not be tolerated by users.

Personally, I doubt Apple is against using a jailbreak to grant access to SSH, to expose hidden functionality in the system, etc. That said, nobody here know their specific concerns either.

Edited 2010-08-31 02:33 UTC

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RE[4]: Voiding the warranty
by bert64 on Tue 31st Aug 2010 08:25 in reply to "RE[3]: Voiding the warranty"
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Hardware should be designed such that it cannot be physically damaged by software, and so that whatever state the hardware gets in it's always possible to return it to a default state.
When i first bought an Amiga years ago, the manual showed me how to make a copy of my workbench disks, and then went on to say that there was no way to physically damage the machine regardless of what i did software wise and that absolute worst case, i boot the original workbench disks (which have the readonly tab set) and create a new copy of the disk.

App store "piracy", like any other form of "piracy" is not as cut and dry as people try to make out... Many of the people who download warez copies of apps wouldn't (or couldn't afford to) have bought those apps if they were unable to obtain them for free.

Aside from that, copyright infringement of the software actually increases sales of the hardware and in the case of cellphones might increase the use of the network too. If you spend less on intangibles like software, you have more money to spend on things you can't get for free such as hardware and services.

Serial numbers are pretty worthless, they harm and inconvenience legitimate purchasers, while dodgy serials are widely circulated via warez sites. To give an example, i bought a tomtom gps a few years ago and it came with the device itself, an sd card with the software/maps on and a cd with a backup copy of the software and a serial number printed on the flimsy paper cd wallet. I bought this gps in 2004 or so, and recently needed to reload the software onto it due to damaging the sd card.. I bought a new card, loaded the latest version of the software (Freely downloadable from tomtom), and copied the map on from a backup i made of the old card... It wanted me to activate the map using the serial from the cd case, now i have no idea where this case is, it's 6 years since i purchased the unit and i haven't had to use the cd or its case since so its either lost or been thrown away. Tomtom want me to buy a whole new unit... But why should i?
So i downloaded a keygen and am now again able to use the device i paid good money for.

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