Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 31st Aug 2010 22:09 UTC
Legal Despite doing what I think are some great things for the American people, the Obama administration has a dark side. Joe Biden and many others on staff come straight from the RIAA camp, and it shows. Today, the Obama administration disregarded every US law relating to theft and copyright by stating that piracy is "flat, unadulterated theft".
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RE[3]: piracy is theft
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 1st Sep 2010 08:07 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: piracy is theft"
Thom_Holwerda
Member since:
2005-06-29

Theft denies revenue and so does piracy.


Explain this to me.

I'm a huge fan of Garbage, including their obscure b-sides, which can ONLY be obtained from the web. One of their b-sides is "Candy Says", a cover from The Velvet Underground. As such, I got interested in The Velvet Underground.

Consequently, I decided to check them out. I downloaded a few of their albums (legal in The Netherlands), and was thoroughly impressed. Since I always buy my music, I went to my local record store, and bought three Velvet Underground albums.

Without me "pirating" these albums to try them out, I would've never spent the money to buy the actual albums. How have I deprived anyone of income here? Hasn't my "piracy" actually earned them money?

If I would not have liked their albums as much, I would've simply deleted the downloaded mp3s, and be done with it. They won a customer through what you call "piracy".

Weird, huh, how the world works?

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RE[4]: piracy is theft
by LighthouseJ on Wed 1st Sep 2010 12:07 in reply to "RE[3]: piracy is theft"
LighthouseJ Member since:
2009-06-18

You think that's how the world, aka the world of piracy works?
Sure anyone can do that, but most really don't.

Weird, huh, how the world works?

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RE[5]: piracy is theft
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 1st Sep 2010 12:17 in reply to "RE[4]: piracy is theft"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Sure anyone can do that, but most really don't.


How do you know?

RIAA advocates such as yourself claim that every downloaded song/film constitutes a lost sale, something based on absolutely nothing. As such, I think I'm entitled to make a similarly nonsensical claim: namely, that all downloaded music/films are eventually bought.

Both claims have no footing in reality - yet somehow mine is more idiotic than yours?

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RE[5]: piracy is theft
by sorpigal on Wed 1st Sep 2010 14:20 in reply to "RE[4]: piracy is theft"
sorpigal Member since:
2005-11-02

You think that's how the world, aka the world of piracy works?
Sure anyone can do that, but most really don't.

Weird, huh, how the world works?

This is easy to say. Saying this is really easy. I can say that piracy increases revenue for artists, you can say it decreases revenue for artists. We're both really good at saying things!

Care to cite some numbers somewhere? I'd prefer a neutral source such as a study *not* funded by a party with a financial interest in one outcome or another. There are some, but not many, of those. I've looked at a few. Care to guess what they say?

tl;dr Links or it isn't true.

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RE[4]: piracy is theft
by nt_jerkface on Thu 2nd Sep 2010 03:24 in reply to "RE[3]: piracy is theft"
nt_jerkface Member since:
2009-08-26



Explain this to me.


Explain how piracy denies revenue?

Certain types of software cannot be localized in parts of Asia because the piracy rates are too high. There aren't enough paying customers to cover the costs. Too many people download or buy the $2 pirated version on the street and deny the producer revenue.

This is not simply a problem in poor areas either. South Korea is a middle income country but has a culture of piracy which disrupts the software market.

Whether you call it denying revenue, cutting revenue or taking revenue the effect is the same. You're reducing revenue by allowing people to use a $0 clone instead of compensating the producer. 100% piracy completely eliminates revenue for the producer and 0% completely prevents losses from piracy.

Call it whatever you want but piracy can be just as destructive as breaking into a business and stealing the cash register. Whether or not you call it theft or denial of revenue is just semantics.

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RE[5]: piracy is theft
by phoenix on Fri 3rd Sep 2010 21:34 in reply to "RE[4]: piracy is theft"
phoenix Member since:
2005-07-11

Doesn't that say more about how over-priced things are, if people are willing to go to a shady dealer and pay $2, instead of going into a store and paying $100?

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